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I guess that is because you cannot but you appear to accept it since it bolsters your view.

you seem to accept many things as long as they support your beliefs.
Bombs in the basement when if you have the expertise you claim you would realize there is no logical explanation for the bombs to be planted in the basement, a recent thread I think on Loose change where the writer says the billowing smoke at the top of the trade center is evidence of an explosion.

Geez now I have to respond to people who fashion themselves after characters from Winnie the Pooh.

Yes, like most people I have no difficulty accepting "things" that "support my beliefs."

Bombs in the basement?

Well if your referring to the well researched report by NK-44 in the Loose Change forum, I suggest you get with it because he explained that in great detail and he certainly made it clear why it was done.

Here is the original thread just in case you get lost or trip over a honey pot;

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745&view=findpost&p=14674183

MM
 
It does take a while- and there is a conversion rate fee (2.30 EUR)- the final number in is $68.49 USD

The maximum I could donate to the IAFF Fallen Firefighters Fund is $125 USD (plus a $5 administrative charge). Rather than wait for this to transfer to my own bank account, I just went ahead and did the $130 (almost matching your contribution).

Attached is a screencap of the invoice (with my personal information redacted).

This goes above and beyond what I would expect any conspiracist to do- and matching (almost) your contribution hopefully shows that I am just as prepared to back up my position. From my perspective, that puts us on equal ground.

And all this belongs in this thread..why??

MM
 
Geez now I have to respond to people who fashion themselves after characters from Winnie the Pooh.
Yes, like most people I have no difficulty accepting "things" that "support my beliefs."
Bombs in the basement?
Well if your referring to the well researched report by NK-44 in the Loose Change forum, I suggest you get with it because he explained that in great detail and he certainly made it clear why it was done.
Here is the original thread just in case you get lost or trip over a honey pot;
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745&view=findpost&p=14674183
MM
No facts yet? This is real dumb stuff you post. How can you read LCF junk and not break up at how dumb it gets?
The real proof of that stupid post is the lack of a Pulitzer Prize. But then he has so many facts and evidence to support his bomb theory, then he was cheated? Or just making up stuff?

Making up stuff wins... All that super research fools idiots and you? (oops, did he win a prize for that BS?)

I like how he adds more BS to back up the BS. He is very good at filling a thread with BS. He really needs an award.
If thermite or something like that was used to weaken the columns where they were connected to the ground, then this would be additional reason for the basement explosions, occuring when the plane hit.
What? Columns connected to the ground? I have to go buy some more BS flags, I am out!

Pulitzer Prize? Moronic tripe? Got prize, did not think so
 
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In fact, let's number these so you can much more easily address them and stop dodging questions which are inconvenient to your irrational claims:

1) Is it possible that the collapse of 1 and 2 could be legitimate, but the collapse of WTC7 was a CD? If so, how?

2) Remember- there are no contradictions in reality, so why does your theory have them?

3) Do you care about the contradiction, why or why not? If you do, have you contacted Jowenko?

4) Tell me, what do you think of a person who freely admits that contradictions are present in their claims, but somehow still expects people to take them seriously?

My last post addressed why answering these questions is crucial to your credibility:




ETA: This is the 8th time I've had to post these questions. They are not going to go away simply because you don't like them, MM.

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No facts yet? This is real dumb stuff you post. How can you read LCF junk and not break up at how dumb it gets?

If I can survive you and your vacuum of argument, I would think anything is possible.

You would be wise to not read my stuff because I really don't want to be responsible for "dumming you down" any further than you already are.

MM
 
I'm sorry..oh I've been warned about saying sorry.

I regret.

Ya that sounds better.

I regret that I have no idea where the "double standard" exists.

Stateofgrace questioned motive for felling WTC7 so I cited a newspaper article that provided, in my opinion at least, a reasonable motive.

Now I didn't write that story and am in no way prepared to explain it's author's research.

I fail to understand how I've applied a double-standard CptColumbo?

MM

Geez now I have to respond to people who fashion themselves after characters from Winnie the Pooh.

Yes, like most people I have no difficulty accepting "things" that "support my beliefs."

Bombs in the basement?

Well if your referring to the well researched report by NK-44 in the Loose Change forum, I suggest you get with it because he explained that in great detail and he certainly made it clear why it was done.

Here is the original thread just in case you get lost or trip over a honey pot;

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745&view=findpost&p=14674183

MM
Bolding mine.

The double standard is that you want investigations into everything, except that which you believe.

You are trying to disprove theories with evidence that is unproven, but since it agrees with your beliefs it must be true (and requires no evidence).

To you evidence is only valid when it fits your theory, even when it comes from the same source and/or contradicts the laws of nature and known science.
 
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Bolding mine.

The double standard is that you want investigations into everything, except that which you believe.

You are trying to disprove theories with evidence that is unproven, but since it agrees with your beliefs it must be true.

To you evidence is only valid when it fits your theory, even when it comes from the same source and/or contradicts the laws of nature and known science.

Not so.

If a proper, thorough investigation ever comes about, I welcome investigation into EVERYTHING!

Well you said it with theories CptColumbo.

Theories are not proofs. Any idiot can have a theory.

Evidence is intrinsic. It must obey the laws of nature or it's fantasy.

MM
 
MerrieMelodies. Can you tell us the date of this SEC article? I want to see it via your keystrokes.
 

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If I can survive you and your vacuum of argument, I would think anything is possible.

You would be wise to not read my stuff because I really don't want to be responsible for "dumming you down" any further than you already are.

MM
I was already dumbed down by engineering school, pilot training, earning a masters in engineering; only reading more LCF could get me to be smart like you.

If only you and 9/11 truth had some facts to share with the world instead of the moronic tripe you posted a link to. It would take several orders of magnitude of dumbing down to believe the ideas you posted from LCF in that link of woo.

At least this dumbed down engineer does not follow other idiots in 9/11 truth. I must admire your open mind and thinking for yourself. Who needs facts when you are as correct as you and Fetzer, Jones, Dylan, and all the other great experts of 9/11 truth. Truly amazing. I am dumbed down, and that makes 9/11 truth and your stuff what? I bet it is undefined.

I matched your facts with just as much! neat
 
No facts yet? This is real dumb stuff you post. How can you read LCF junk and not break up at how dumb it gets?
The real proof of that stupid post is the lack of a Pulitzer Prize. But then he has so many facts and evidence to support his bomb theory, then he was cheated? Or just making up stuff?

Making up stuff wins... All that super research fools idiots and you? (oops, did he win a prize for that BS?)

I like how he adds more BS to back up the BS. He is very good at filling a thread with BS. He really needs an award.
What? Columns connected to the ground? I have to go buy some more BS flags, I am out!

Pulitzer Prize? Moronic tripe? Got prize, did not think so

I knew you never bothered to read his work beachnut.

That's okay, it was probably well over your head anyway.

MM
 
Not so.

If a proper, thorough investigation ever comes about, I welcome investigation into EVERYTHING!
Yet you refuse to look into your own sources. So you will call for a new investigation as long as you don't have to do any work to prove one needs to be done.

Well you said it with theories CptColumbo.

Theories are not proofs. Any idiot can have a theory.
You've certainly proven that. Seriously, you don't seem to know what a theory is. IMO you are mistaking opinion and hypothesis for theory.
 
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MerrieMelodies. Can you tell us the date of this SEC article? I want to see it via your keystrokes.

Are you are having difficult seeing?

Is this a trick question?

I believe it says New York Post, September 12, 2001 along the left hand side.

MM
 
I knew you never bothered to read his work beachnut.

That's okay, it was probably well over your head anyway.

MM
Yes, it was well over my head, I can not breath when the BS is piled so deep.

Please point out the parts that are not BS. I am ready to be impressed with the parts you think are backed by facts.
Now this tremendous jet-fuel explosion failed to remove this aluminum cladding, but later managed to destroy machine rooms, steel fire doors and cause cave-ins, and at the same time leaving the shafts it - officially - emerged from intact, is beyond me. But I#m not a Bush-Scientist, so that could be the reason for my failure to understand.
What is this rant about. Look how scientific he gets. Wow.
The question raises: why should bombs be installed in the basement levels? Though it would make sense in a demolition to set up explosives in the basement levels, where the columns are connected to the ground,
I like his super science on the connected to the ground, very technical stuff. How did he get so smart? Wowzer, zing bing. wow

He is getting over my head, but only in BS, and much too technical for me.
Another thing to be considered is the possibility, that people confuse the odor of kerosine with diesel, which is similiar to jet-fuel or even with gasoline.
oops, again wowzer on this one. But gasoline, no way you can confuse gasoline with jet fuel. But then you guys at LCF are just too technical for me.

Miragememories , just too tech for me, how do you keep up with the science spewing from NK44?
if you want to bring the towers down in secret, you would have had a great interest to not get the elevators to work again, or to even figure out, which of them would still working .
Over my head again in stupidity. I am not this stupid to make up junk out of the blue after impacts of 1300 and 2200 pounds of TNT occurred. The aircraft knock out major systems, and only idiots use elevators in fires, and you wonder with NK44 how the elevators were knocked out? Too tech for me.
The explosions not only affected the firefighting efforts by disabling the elevators and destroying the Secure Command Center, but also by disabling the Fire Suppression Systems. How were these sytems operating?
Out of his fantasy mind he makes up the explosions to disable elevators, and other stuff. Just say it and it is so. Yes, you guys are too much for my engineering background, and it is true only idiots believe this tripe. This gets funny~! Funnier

NEXT, the smoking guns of smoking guns, the SS acts like it is snowing and skip School! Or was it the large OBJECTS flying all over NYC that makes them act like school is canceled!?
Immediately after the first plane impact the Secret Service completely evacuated their station in WTC 7, its greatest field-office. And later advised the evacuation of the OEM (Office of Emergency Management) in the 23rd floor of WTC 7, and therefore caused additional confusing and hampering regarding the emergency response.
What a dumb LCF thread; it has all sorts of BS, piled with more BS, and then it gets worse. The real CT is how can idiots post so much junk and not one person at LCF is smart enough to raise the BS Flag!? Just too technical for me.
The question then would be how the Secret Service man knew that there couldn't be bombs in the basement if they were under attack by terrorists. The experience of the WTC 93 bombing should have lead to enough caution about the possibility of bombs in the basement. Instead he was quick with an explanation, matching with the later official version, though he hardly could see a fireball travelling down the shafts.
duh, because they were there? Yes, many people who experienced 1993 bombing were in the area on 9/11 and they can tell you it was different. But then your this doltish series of posts is too technical for me, and if it was not so much BS and hearsay, I could understand it since I was dumbed down too much learning to fly supersonic aircraft and earning a masters degree in engineering. Much too technical for me the made up fantasy BS of 9/11 truth and NK44 trivial tripe BS rant.
You are right, I mean wrong, you have to be dumbed down a lot to make anything of this junk. I must not be dumbed down as much as the standard LCF poster needs me to be. Are you?
They all knew ?! And nobody informed Bush when America was under attack !? Instead President Bush was not informed until the attack further succeeded with the second impact. But even then the Secret Service did not make an attempt to pull Bush out of the lesson, though he of course could be a target and they knew that more planes were in the air. Instead, Bush stayed at the school until 9.30, were he gave a scheduled press conference. No need for hurry here. It seems that Secret Service men had more interest to pull some other people out of an area.
Now it gets stupid. Pure junk for no real reason but to rant about things. Much too tech for me.
It was a Secret Controlled Demolition (SCD). A SCD requires a cover legend to make it not look like a demolition. This legend is that the impact damage of the planes and the subsequent fires brought down the towers.
Oh, a secret. Silent secret explosives. Wow
Certainly planting some diesel fuel in the area of the explosives was easy and would only add to the ruse that they were aircraft fuel caused. The eyewitness reports of diesel fuel odor are one of the points constantly raised by skeptics to discount alternative explanations for the explosions that because of so much eyewitness testimony were impossible to deny.
And we have other LCF posters making up lies as it goes on. Wowzer, more BS made up on the fly.
Isn't it interesting, that in WTC2 (South Tower), which only survived 56 minutes after the initial impact, that just a few minutes after firefighters reported that they had reached the 79th floor reporting they had just two easy fires to handle, and before their efforts could reach fires above that level, the building totally collapsed.
More hearsay fact less tripe. Where do you get this stuff from? Small fires, which were seen by all as large fires. Good job misleading and posting a lie if you are saying the WTC tower fires were small. Due to the fact you have only seen 3 examples of 10,000 gallons of fuel starting fires in buildings. Dumbest post yet!
 
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I'm sorry..oh I've been warned about saying sorry.

I regret.

Ya that sounds better.

I regret that I have no idea where the "double standard" exists.

Stateofgrace questioned motive for felling WTC7 so I cited a newspaper article that provided, in my opinion at least, a reasonable motive.

Now I didn't write that story and am in no way prepared to explain it's author's research.

I fail to understand how I've applied a double-standard CptColumbo?

MM

Just to recap so I understand you MM.

This is your theory. A building , namely WTC 7 was rigged with explosives prior to Sept 11th by people who nobody saw.

They knew the building would survive the collapse of the Towers and any fires that would follow. They knew the preplanted explosives would also survive.

At some stage later on in the day, six hours in fact, "somebody" decided to demolish WTC 7 in full view of the worlds media, the firefighters and anybody else that just happened to be there. This was intented to fool the entire planet in to believing that the building had collapsed due to the structural failure brought about by the damage and fires and cover up the said crime.So great was this hoax that it completly fooled the highly qualified experts who work for NIST or they may be in on it depending on which view you take.

One of , no doubt,many of your motives could be that this was done to destroy the SEC offices.I say no doubt because no doubt you will cover all bases and offer up other "motives" also.

Now MM , does that about sum up what you think happened?

Also one minor, tiny , little question here MM, who in their right mind would think this was a good plan ?
 
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I knew it was.

MM


No one has had much success persuading you and your fellow fantasists to answer this disarmingly simple question:

Would the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy have blown up WTC 7 if it had not been hit by tons of debris and set on fire?
 
I knew it was.

MM

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I knew it was.

MM
You and MK44 fantasy BS show at LCF is way over my head. Great fiction, poor rearch. Great hearsay, poor facts and evidence.

The work itself tells the story why NK44 has no Pulitzer Prize on his 9/11 work. But you do not understand that concept. You can make up BS about 9/11, but you have no real concept of reality. Why?

I was looking for some facts and evidence to support you ideas and you present zero.

I must be more tolerant, you guys are not too good at research it has only been 6 years. How many years to you need to get some reality into your story?

You have to think that perps monitoring the radio traffic decided they had better 'pull the plug' before there was insufficient fire to sell it as a collapse vehicle to the general public.
Like this stupid statement; based on the fact the three largest office fires ever set by 10,000 gallons of fuel were on 9/11, this is the dumbest statement on record. But then you did not give it a second thought, you did not even give it a first thought.
 
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Just to recap so I understand you MM.

This is your theory. A building , namely WTC 7 was rigged with explosives prior to Sept 11th by people who nobody saw.

Why?

I have no reason to believe people didn't see them. What I believe is that nobody suspected them of doing anything out of the ordinary.

They knew the building would survive the collapse of the Towers and any fires that would follow. They knew the preplanted explosives would also survive.

Well if you examine ground zero, you can see that assumption stood up. After WTC 1 & 2, there was certainly mega damage but complete building collapses? WTC7 was far enough away from WTC1 that expecting it to initially survive wasn't too great a risk, especially if they were confident that they had good control over the twin towers.

At some stage later on in the day, six hours in fact, "somebody" decided to demolish WTC in full view of the worlds media, the firefighters and anybody else that just happened to be there. This was intented to fool the entire planet in to believing that the building had collapsed due to the structural failure brought about by the damage and fires.So great was this hoax that it completly fooled the highly qualified experts who work for NIST or they may be in on it depending on which view you take.

Well don't you think it would have raised more immediate questions if they hadn't waited?

Let it burn unfought for several hours and establish an excuse, even if a weak one, for it's collapse. Thanks to the complicity of the mainstream media very few people ever noted the collapse of WTC7.

Thanks to the Internet it came to world attention.

Those highly qualified NIST experts, 6+ years later are still pondering what spin to put on the WTC7 collapse.

One of , no doubt,many of your motives could be that this was done to destroy the SEC offices.I say no doubt because no doubt you will cover all bases and offer up other "motives" also.

Now MM , does that about sum up what you think happened?

Also one minor, tiny , little question here MM, who in their right mind would think this was a good plan ?

It's worked so far hasn't stateofgrace?

It can't be that bad a plan.

MM
 

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