The War Against Christianity

Fnord said:
Sorta reminds me of the time I threw someone through a plate-glass window after he and his buddies attacked me for bringing a Bible to school.
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Was that before or after you found the ancient ring of Shazam?

:rolleyes:
 
Kochanski said:
Since Fnord has abandoned this thread, I have let my mind wander on the idea of a War Against Christianity and I think I have found a way to start one, sort of, well in the USA, at least.

There are lots of Christians in the US who seem to believe that this is a Christian nation and not a secular one or should I say that is the meme that many are attempting to spread. I think the best way to start a War Against Christianity is to tell them, yes the USA is indeed a Christian nation, but they have to tell us which brand of Christianity it follows. After all, there can only be "One True" Church, with "One True" version of the Bible, and "One True" Religious leader, head honcho and protector of the faith. So, they will have to duke it out between themselves for that honor. Sure, the "One True" Church can allow the others to have some status and acceptance in the USA, but there has to be one that is chosen.

Then all secular individuals can sit back and watch the fur fly. We won't have to do or say another thing. The various versions of Christianity will have to fight it out between themselves. Whether it comes to physical blows or just lots and lots of shouting, they will be locked in battle until they come to the realization that the only way that the individual versions of Christianity can all exist with a decent level of authority and therefore followers and funds (you know the church leaders don't want to lose the power and freedom they currently enjoy) is if they agree that the USA is indeed a secular nation.

So, we can win without striking a blow or saying anything mean ;-) Credit Doctor Who for my inspiration here, when the Doctor brings down Harriet Jones with just the few simple words "Don't you think she looks tired". Hee hee
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Yeah, but it's kinda a one-sided battle. Evangelists have the numbers.
 
Lonewulf said:
Or going against the Chinese during Vietnam?
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well, thats a good point, however Sth Vet's allies did not exercise the nuclear option, as in ww2. They fought on the enemies terms , well sort of,.....we don't have to be so kind. :cool:
 
biomorph said:
well, thats a good point, however Sth Vet's allies did not exercise the nuclear option, as in ww2. They fought on the enemies terms , well sort of,.....we don't have to be so kind. :cool:
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So... you're advocating nuclear bombing Christians? :confused:

I'm confused.
 
Lonewulf said:
So... you're advocating nuclear bombing Christians? :confused:

I'm confused.
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my most reactionary reply to you is "well, they want to get to heaven? lets send 'em there.".......but...

however i'm not advocating the literal physical harm employed in the horror that combat provides. nor any type of physical violence (well kicking a JW is probably ok!)

The weapons of my choice are the Dawkins, Hitchins et al of the world. If you'd like to know what (not neccessarily possible!) steps i'd personally like to see employed against all religion, i'd start with a list like below;

1/Heavy taxation
2/Classifiy places of worship as business.
3/Make new church buildings subject to strict planning controls, and difficult to build through red tape.
4/Make public advertising or cold calling recruitment illegal. Remove all media presence, leafletting and the like.
5/ Remove all state funding.
6/ Remove all religious education, especially in church schools whether they get funded by the govt or not.
7/ Make Religious representatives and organistatons liable for their actions and words. If they say god caused a flood, then sue the church.
8/ Encourage public/media debate which involve showing the fallacy of religion.
9/Make it illegal to convert under 21's. Especially by the parents.

As for your analogy of being outnumbered (vastly?), well putting the boot in via rhetoric and generally showing up the patent stupidity in such ideas means a bit of practice.

The ease with which the too few current detractors publicly reduce religion's certainty in the world comes somewhat from the hot forging of better tactics through debate.

that is possibly not so easy in the wild, where an opinion is only that, and given equal merit whether it is part of reality or not.........so being out numbered is good in some ways, lots of targets, lots of practice, and indicative of the base fact that religion has been allowed its head for far too long.


That'll do for now...........I guess you've realised that i don't like them much, well that's due to my past experiences I guess. Ok my hand is ~OFF~ the big red button now.....;)
 
biomorph said:
1/Heavy taxation
2/Classifiy places of worship as business.
3/Make new church buildings subject to strict planning controls, and difficult to build through red tape.
4/Make public advertising or cold calling recruitment illegal. Remove all media presence, leafletting and the like.
5/ Remove all state funding.
6/ Remove all religious education, especially in church schools whether they get funded by the govt or not.
7/ Make Religious representatives and organistatons liable for their actions and words. If they say god caused a flood, then sue the church.
8/ Encourage public/media debate which involve showing the fallacy of religion.
9/Make it illegal to convert under 21's. Especially by the parents.
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Some of these are already practiced against existing businesses such as topless bars and adult bookstores, but others seem a bit of a stretch.

Six, for instance. If homeschooling and private schooling are acceptable then it does seem a bit unfair to outlaw private schooling by a religious organization. Number four appears to run afoul of more than one part of the First Amendment.

As for seven, the Falwell types seldom say God caused the damage. The prefer to say teh Gays and the secularists caused the destruction.
 
Ladewig said:
Some of these are already practiced against existing businesses such as topless bars and adult bookstores, but others seem a bit of a stretch.
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True but, i feel, needed.
Six, for instance. If homeschooling and private schooling are acceptable then it does seem a bit unfair to outlaw private schooling by a religious organization.
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Education is fine, schooling is fine, just leave the stupid god bit out. Stop them indoctrinating kids with lies.
Number four appears to run afoul of more than one part of the First Amendment.
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well get it changed, make religion a special case.
and over here in good ol GB any so called "amendment" means nothing. thats USA law not the rest of the world.
As for seven, the Falwell types seldom say God caused the damage. The prefer to say teh Gays and the secularists caused the destruction.
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and just who is doing the destroying? I don't see any gays manipulating the weather. If they do claim the god they have is responsible, then make them responsible for his actions (and reactions). They are doing the praying, they can take the flack. And the blame. Make them pay, loudest most and first. set an example.
 
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gosh! I've hit a nerve there, haven't I?

Over here and in the states (I think) cold calling is in practice illegal some places, gated estates come to mind......

i guess the 1st is about free speech is it not?
well free speech is fine, and should be protected.

so maybe not so acceptable is number 4. but its not my problem that the 1st is flawed, allowing the mass indoctrination by the absurd.
Free speech is a right, and should not (IMO)be open to abuse.
if it is abused, then that right needs taking away from the abusers.
Its not that the states sticks with it anyway. i may be mistaken (and no doubt properly admonished if i'm wrong here) but the freedom of speech in the US is a distorted and manipulated old law that needs revision, when religion forces garbage down kids throats and into the minds of the more gullible.

i guess thats not quite like nuking 'em. but it'll do.
 
If there were a war on Christianity you wouldn't be debating it here.

You'd either be fighting for you life in the streets or feeding the worms.

So, you can drop the idiotic pretense that there is a War on Christianity.

Which reminds me; I have to get down to the range soon... ;)
 
biomorph said:
so maybe not so acceptable is number 4. but its not my problem that the 1st is flawed, allowing the mass indoctrination by the absurd.
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Or it is your fault for falsely seeing the 1st amendment as flawed.

If reading a pamphlet is mind control to you, then anything should be treated as such. You should silence all media that prints things you disagree with.
 
Lonewulf said:
Or it is your fault for falsely seeing the 1st amendment as flawed.
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yes thats true, and I admit that. Not living in the states with all them guns and the like...point taken.
If reading a pamphlet is mind control to you, then anything should be treated as such. You should silence all media that prints things you disagree with.
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your right, but i wouldn't.
not if what i disagreed with is true, which religion is not.

maybe modifing the 1st is not practical then, so for now I withdraw that motion. perhaps its usefulness outweighs my position, which i understand.
 
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biomorph said:
yes thats true, and I admit that. Not living in the states with all them guns and the like...point taken.
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I love how paranoid people are about the U.S. and guns. It's like they really do believe that people in the U.S. go around and get into gunfights every other day at the mall.

Hilarity personified.
 
BenBurch said:
If there were a war on Christianity you wouldn't be debating it here.
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no we'd be out there actually giving them the hell they promise to give others, well maybe.....
You'd either be fighting for you life in the streets or feeding the worms.
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so much for love thy neighbour then. if you think that is so, my case , i feel, is made.
So, you can drop the idiotic pretense that there is a War on Christianity.
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Yeah right "onward christian soldiers" and all that guff. there is no war thats true. and a shooting one is undesirable IMO
Which reminds me; I have to get down to the range soon... ;)
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happy target practice, don't forget to line up the CROSS on your long range sights there, my boy.....
 
Lonewulf said:
I love how paranoid people are about the U.S. and guns. It's like they really do believe that people in the U.S. go around and get into gunfights every other day at the mall.

Hilarity personified.
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yeah but several thousand miles away your 1st amendment allows us to get that impression......its a media portrayal, and no doubt an incorrect one.
shame, cos iknow there is a lot more to the USA than what we see on the media over here sometimes (and pretty often too)

ps glad you had a chuckle over that one.
 
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