Former Italian President says 911 inside job

[scissorhands]

Check this one out. Looks like an identical angle and location, but no 911 hoo ha. Came from here: http://www.dhadm.com/content/category/the-war-on-terror/

Have been trying to find a higher resolution one, but no luck yet.

Its certainly the same location and angle, but not the same timing.
The twoofyness could have passed by the location or not arrived yet.
There is a hint of those pinkish coloured signs at the middle right of the photo?

 

[Dr Adequate]

[A]ll democratic elements of America and Europe, and especially the Italian center-left, are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists in order to accuse the Arab world and to induce the Western powers to intervene in both Iraq and Afghanistan ... For this reason no show of solidarity with Berlusconi [who is threatened in the audio by Bin Laden], the maker of this fake audio will come from the president, the prime minister or others from the centre-left".

So, he's saying that the Italian center-left are Truthers.

Cossiga himself, meanwhile, is on the right, being a member of the conservative Christian Democratic party.

So it seems that when he says that the center-left are Truthers, this is not so much an endorsement of Truthism as an insult aimed at the center-left. And aimed inaccurately, since, as the newspaper notes, they have expressed solidarity with Berlusconi. When Cossiga says that the Italian center-left are Truthers, he's lying.

 

[timhau]

When Cossiga says that the Italian center-left are Truthers, he's lying.

Literally, yes, but it does read like a roundabout way of saying that they're raving lunatics.

 

[Praktik]

The most ardent CTer I've encountered on another board responded with the infowars story on Cossiga in a thread on Zeitgeist there. I had done a factual take down on the claim that Krishna was "crucified" - and he responded with the infowars woo.

Came to this forum for some ammunition and found enough to take him down a peg or two.

I heart JREF!

 

[Drudgewire]

I'm starting to get the idea some of these Italian politicians should think before opening their damn mouths.

 

[T.A.M.]

Welcome to the forum Praktik.

Stick around, read a lot, and you will have A TONNE of info to help.

look up threads started by a user named Ref. He has a couple of threads where he has compiled a linkage to threads of evidence here at JREF for the various 9/11 topics.

AS well, go to the link in the signature of the user named "Gravy".

Have fun.

TAM

 

[JJM 777]

Here is a link that gives some info about the Italian newspaper article. No full transcript though.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7550

 

[Dr Adequate]

Here is a link that gives some info about the Italian newspaper article. No full transcript though.

That's not information, that's the Truth.

... you know what I mean.

* has Orwell moment *

 

[tomwaits]

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[uk_dave]

Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t

Well, at least they got that bit right.

 

[Firestone]

Here you can read a (imho) correct translation of the article in Corriere della Sera.

(The translation seems to be the only correct thing on that blog, though. )

As noted before, the article starts as follows:

«Based on what I've heard, either tomorrow or the day after, the biggest newspaper chain in our country will provide an exceptional scoop, evidence that the video [actually an audio, editor] in which Osama Bin Laden, leader of the 'Great and Powerful Movement of Islamic Retribution Al Qaeda', may Allah bless him!, which contains threats against [Italy's] ex-premier Silvio Berlusconi, is nothing but a forgery created in Mediaset's studios in Milan and forwarded to the Islamic TV network Al-Jazeerah which aired it». So stated the former President of the Republic [of Italy] Francesco Cossiga in a press release.

Needless to say that the announced "exceptional scoop" is nowhere to be found yet.

 

[Dr Adequate]

BTW, who put the stuff in square brackets into the Twoofer "quote"? Twoof just seems to turn up by magic.

* thinks about "Twoof Fairy" joke, thinks better of it *

Where does it come from? Someone must have made the first mangled version that they all passed on, but how would one go about finding out who?

We know that there was only a matter of ... what? ... days? ... hours? ... between the actual quote and the doctored quote. Would it not be possible to find out, on this one occasion, where bull**** comes from?

The trouble is, all the witnesses are Twoofers.

 

[Pape]

Hi guys,

I'm from Italy, so I know very well the sarcasm of our former president Cossiga. Before doing a translation of the article, I'd like to point out that Cossiga does NOT thrust in CT about 9/11, and he said that a lot of time. Italian CTers (like Giulietto Chiesa) seems to have a very short memory, and while they point to his latest interview on Corriere della Sera thinking Cossiga is a CTer, they forget to mention many other interviews released by the former president, like this one on La Stampa (sorry, but the forum does not allow me to link) another important italian newspaper. (to be precise, this is not an interview but an article written by Cossiga himself)

I won't translate all this one, but just the most important sentence (BTW, if you are interested in the full translation, just ask me ^_^):

"Rifiuto la teorica «complottista» che è un'abile e talvolta sincera contraffazione della realtà per il timore di essa: Moro sarebbe stato rapito dalle «così dette» Brigate Rosse, strumento della CIA, o del KGB o della P2 o del… Priorato di Sion"

Which could be literally translated as follows (bold are by me):

"I refuse the conspiracy theory, which is a smart and sometimes sincere contrafaction of reality caused by the fear of that (reality).

He also says:

"Ricordando quanto «aperta» sia la società americana [...] mi sembra improbabile anzi impossibile che l’11 settembre sia stato frutto di un complotto americano"

"Rememering how is "open" american society, I think is very unlikely, I may say impossible, that 9/11 was an inside job".

So, as you can see, Cossiga isn't a CT, but just a man with a strange sense of humour.

After this introduction, I think is time to translate the interview you are talking about in this topic.
Bolds are by me

"As I've been told, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow (interview appeared on 30 november 07) the most important chain of newspaper of our country should give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (which in reality is an audio tape, NdR) in which appear Osama, leader of "the great and powerful movement of islamic revenge Al Quaeda" - God bless him! - and in which are formulated threats to our ex president Berlusconi, is nothing more than a fake realized inside Mediaset studios (the huge television group owned by Berlusconi) in Milan and sent to arabic television Al Jazeera.

The trap was organized to create solidarity for Berlusconi, which is having lot of problem related for the tangle between RAI and Mediaset. From sources near to Palazzo Chigi, the nevralgic center of italian intelligence, we know that the video is fake because Osama admits that he was the mind behind the attacks against the twin towers, while all the democratic parties in Europe and USA know very well that the attack was organised by CIA and Mossad, whit the help of sionistic world, just to accuse arab countries and induce occident to intervein both in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why nobody in parlament gave solidarity to Berlusconi, which is the author of the fake video".


Pape

 

[Firestone]

Thanks, Pape, and welcome!

Here's the link to the La Stampa article.

Once again, Prison Planet has shown what it is worth: absolutely nothing!

 

[CptColumbo]

Gracias merci danke arrigatto Pape. Welcome to the forum.

 

[BigAl]

Cossiga has also been prime minister of Italy.

Of course, as has been pointed out before, it doesn't really matter.

Here's an article written by Cossiga in 2006. Someone tells me he states clearly that he doesn't believe in "inside job".

http://www.lastampa.it/redazione/cmsSezioni/11settembre2001/200609articoli/10111girata.asp#

 

[Firestone]

Here's an article written by Cossiga in 2006. Someone tells me he states clearly that he doesn't believe in "inside job".

http://www.lastampa.it/redazione/cmsSezioni/11settembre2001/200609articoli/10111girata.asp#

Absolutely.

He rejects the conspiracy theories about 9/11 in that article (and of course still does).

However, there is a small consolation for truthers.

From the linked article:

TRA qualche giorno ricorre l'anniversario dell'attentato alle Torri gemelle e al Pentagono da parte dei terroristi del potente movimento di «Rivincita islamica» Al Qaeda e della caduta di un terzo aereo kamikaze (destinato a impattare contro la Casa Bianca) forse per opera dei terroristi che così reagirono all'insurrezione dei passeggeri, o molto più probabilmente per l’abbattimento da parte di aerei militari per ordine del Presidente degli Stati Uniti ...

This means (more or less):"In a few days will occur the anniversary of the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon by the terrorists of the powerful Islamic movement Al Qaeda, and of the crash of a third kamikaze plane (destined to strike the White House), maybe caused by the terrorists who reacted to a revolt by the passengers, or, more probably, caused by the shootdown by the US Air Force, on the orders of the president of the US ..."

So Cossiga doesn't believe in all of the standard version of events.
However, he clearly doesn't believe in an inside-job, nor in a Zionist plot.

The guys at Prison Planet are simply too stupid and ignorant of Italian politics to understand the sarcasm in his recent Corriere della Sera statement.

 

[alexg]

Could someone sum up the Cossiga situation at present? I'm still seeing twoofers state confidently that he's on record that 911 was an inside job and now they have this second quote: ( I simply pasted the quote from a truther post at another board)

"From environments near Palazzo Chigi, the focal direction of Italian intelligence, it should be noted that non-authenticity of the video has witnessed by the fact that Osama Bin Laden in it 'confesses' that Al Qaeda would have been the author dell'attentato 11 September to the two towers in New York, while all those Democrats of America and Europe, with those at the forefront of the Italian centre, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the American CIA and the Mossad with the help of the world to put under Zionist accused the Arab countries in order to induce the Western powers to intervene both in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

Link to the newspaper article:

http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossig a_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Original quote in Italian:

«Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana, si fa notare che la non autenticità del video è testimoniata dal fatto che Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan.

I take it he is likely being facetious here but I must admit his meaning is simply unclear to me. I'd love to be able to shut up some truthers about this with something more definitive.

 

[Firestone]

Could someone sum up the Cossiga situation at present? I'm still seeing twoofers state confidently that he's on record that 911 was an inside job and now they have this second quote: ( I simply pasted the quote from a truther post at another board)



I take it he is likely being facetious here but I must admit his meaning is simply unclear to me. I'd love to be able to shut up some truthers about this with something more definitive.

Saddly, you can't convince truthers with something more definitive, because it requires the truthers biggest ennemy: context.

As you can read in the posts above, Cossiga has clearly written in the past that he doesn't buy the 9/11-CT.
He has also been very critical in the past about the Left's assumed complacency toward Islamists.

In the Corriere della Sera statement, he doesn't say he believes in the inside-job theory.
He "quotes" an article that was supposed to appear one or two days later that contains the claim. Of course that article never appeared (it only existed in Cossiga's facetious mind).
That "article" also was supposed to prove that Berlusconi faked the latest Bin Laden-tape.

Some two weeks after the Corriere della Sera-article appeared, there was some (unrelated) incident between Cossiga and a right-wing senator, Antonio Del Pennino, who had some harsh words against Cossiga.
Guess who jumped to Cossiga's defense? None other than Berlusconi, who said: "... sono vicino al Presidente Cossiga con l'affetto e con la stima di sempre." That translates to: " ... I am close to Cossiga for whom I always have affection and respect."
Would you say that about someone who accused you days earlier to have faked the Bin Laden video?

(Source for this incident.)

So, the context makes it clear that Cossiga was indeed facetious. Everybody understands it, certainly in Italy.

But you won't convince truthers. They will take the quote out of context, and will do this for years to come.

Business as usual ...

 

[Pape]

So, the context makes it clear that Cossiga was indeed facetious. Everybody understands it, certainly in Italy.

Not everyone, just people with an IQ of at least 2 digits. CTers, even in Italy, think he's serious ;-)

Pape