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Former Italian President says 911 inside job

Sporanox said:
GOVERNMENT SHILL!!

There is no possible way that you are in the 9/11 truth movement (okay, maybe one...). You're just attempting to make it look even worse than it was before.



See, here you go again. You obviously believe that this panel would logically pick from the thousands of structural engineers whose views are most applicable to this matter, and they would debunk 9/11 Truth. So you're dooming the truth investigation from the start. SHILL!

-Sporanox
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Right here is the exact reason why the truth movement gets noplace and a prime example of some person's imagination run amok.
 
Redtail said:
I think there are two 9/11 signs near the front right beside the orange peace symbol. Or at least they are similar signs.
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There are, they are partially covered up though.

Talking about partially covered, Gravy you didn't get photos did you?
 
Redtail said:
I think there are two 9/11 signs near the front right beside the orange peace symbol. Or at least they are similar signs.
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You are right, I withdraw my previous claim of "no woo".

I guess this is a micro example of how research is done. Make an observation, gather evidence from multiple sources, get several analysts involved, revise the hypothesis, admit when you are wrong, and blame it on the truther.
 
And you can get away with saying anything you want when you're a kid.

Please, grow up a lil or I will be forced to just ignore your postings for what they are...Baby talk.
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Okay, I guess I'll reveal it to you now. I was being sarcastic. The point is that this is exactly what truthers do to anybody in the truther movement that you don't agree with.

In fact, you've even gone so far to apparently support the conclusion that Osama bin Laden's videos that claim responsibility for 9/11 are disinfo. For no reason other than they disagree with your opinion.

-Sporanox
 
while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan. "
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so what if the man who said this is a former leader of Italy if what he claims is true why have all these intelligence services (aren't there plenty in Europe who do not like the US and Bush) not mentioned it much.
And what is the supposed evidence that would allow all these agencies to know this "fact" well.
 
Reality Believer said:
You are right, I withdraw my previous claim of "no woo".

I guess this is a micro example of how research is done. Make an observation, gather evidence from multiple sources, get several analysts involved, revise the hypothesis, admit when you are wrong, and blame it on the truther.
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It is the same street, though, just a little further "down stream". You can tell by using that dark gray, block... thing... that's on the right-hand side of both images as a landmark.
 
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And that proof would be?

Astute Perspicuous said:
and that proof would be?
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  • An analysis by a respectable, qualified structural engineer casting doubt on the collapse mechanism.
  • A witness who saw a missile strike the Pentagon.
  • A witness who saw explosives being planted in the WTC.
  • A confession by an intelligence operative to the conspiracy.
It isn't hard to think of many, many things that would constitute, if not proof, at least grounds to investigate further.

Things that don't constitute any kind of evidence whatsoever

  • Claims that the buildings fell faster than free fall speed.
  • Claims that the buildings fell straight down and shouldn't have, by unqualified people.
  • Claims that the buildings ejected material and shouldn't have, by unqualified people.
  • Pictures of where the plane didn't hit the Pentagon, coupled with an insistence that the hole should have been bigger.
And so on.

But the movement isn't interested in real proof, or a real investigation. I've suggested on a number of occasions that some member of the truth movement should just call up a structural engineer in Iran, or Russia, and ask him if he thinks the collapse of the WTC was impossible. They won't do this because they know what the answer will be. They know that their theories don't really apply to the real world.

AP could do this. He could look up the telephone number of some structural engineer far, far from American influence, and call him up and ask him what he thinks. He might not get anywhere - he might not be able to persuade them to give an opinion. But he could try. And he won't.
 
Gravy said:
I was in that march. If there were any 9/11 denier signs near me, I didn't notice them. Then again, I was next to the topless chicks for much of the march.
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I don't think this can be taken as evidence of anything at all.

Perhaps Chill Zero could comment on this. The Chill Zero picture has changed once, and I for one am looking forward to the next one.
 
timhau said:
A minor point: in Italy, the President isn't really the leader of the nation. The Italian presidency is more like a figurehead position; the real political leader is the Prime Minister.
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Cossiga has also been prime minister of Italy.

Of course, as has been pointed out before, it doesn't really matter.

A careful reading of the article in the Corriere della Sera leaves little doubt that Cossiga is being sarcastic about the perceived tendency of the Italian left to blame everything on Berlusconi, the Americans and the Zionists.

The "exceptional scoop" he announces in the article has (of course) failed to materialize.
 
Astute Perspicuous said:
A special tribunal set up by the people of America. Not "truther", not "Government officials"

A panel of private investigators, forensic scientists, and experts in many fields that did not have a bias view to start with.
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I can just see it now. A panel that treats idiots like Fetzer and AJ as though they had something to say relevant to how the laws of physics work in THIS time/space continuum. Lame. What you are talking about sounds basicly like a cangaroo court that would make Chairman Moa proud. Or something like Hitler's Staatsgericht.

Until that dithering old moonbat Cossiga comes forward with some evidence, I shall simply write this off as another twoofer trouser cough.
 
Astute Perspicuous said:
Yup...With people like yourself with that "Can't Do" attitude, I guess you're most likely right. It will never get done.
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I actually take your comments on my REALITY BASED attitude as a complement. One day you will hopefully grow up to realize what the world really works like, and to work positively WITHIN IT.

TAM:)
 
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AP:

You have accused others here of being infantile, meanwhile your suggestion of what should be done is as naive and fairytale-like as anything I have seen come from your movement.

The attitude of "I want a new investigation" but with out any realistic proposition for how it would be done is liken to the little girl who screams at her parents "I want a pony", but gives no consideration to the cost to purchase, the cost to feed it, cleaning up after it, or where the pony would be kept. Instead, her thinking is, "someone will do all that."

TAM:)
 
westprog said:
I don't think this can be taken as evidence of anything at all.

Perhaps Chill Zero could comment on this. The Chill Zero picture has changed once, and I for one am looking forward to the next one.
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:eek:

I think my corndog is out of proportion. :p

Anyway, I agree with the point raised earlier, that it doesn't really matter who says that 911 was an inside job - unless they can provide some evidence to back it up. Why is this man being looked to as an authority on the matter? Particularly based on a shoddy translation.
 
Astute Perspicuous said:
Nope...they will ask you "WHY" you would think such a thing. They would ask you for your "speculation" as to "why" you think such a thing is happening.

It is up to them to "prove" it.

Nice subtle try at degradation.
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No, its up to the person who makes the allegations to prove there is something to the claims, without evidence, speculation is worthless.

Libel as with Slander is a crime, if someone alleged on a website that you were a thief, and there was no evidence to even charge you with that; if you wanted, you could take them to court, sue them for libel, and recieve compensation.

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As for sept 11th, the onus of proof is on you.
 
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