New Gravy video: World Trade Center Not a Demolition

[Newtons Bit]

I just finished watching it, very nicely done Gravy! Hopefully this will dissuade some people who are just getting into the woo before they get hopelessly brainwashed.

 

[johnny karate]

So if I understand LastChild's argument correctly, he's saying that the surrounding chaos and noise may have muffled the sounds of the CD charges, thus explaining why none of the recording equipment in the area picked them up, and no one heard them.

Except of course in the cases when people reported hearing "explosives", in which case the surrounding chaos and noise didn't muffle the CD charges.

Nope, I don't see any flaws in that logic.

 

[DGM]

No I haven't but what does that matter? Were you at the WTC when it fell? If you have to see one live then what good is the so-called video evidence that is implied? Now I do know about sound and recording. How about you? I can tell you that the comparisons made in the video are evidence of nothing.

Except for the fact that no videos of the towers or building 7 contain explosions. Right?

 

[LastChild]

Except for the fact that no videos of the towers or building 7 contain explosions. Right?

There are plenty of people who said they heard explosions or bomb like sounds. Do you dispute this?

I seem to remember there were also no pictures of that giant gash in wtc7 for the longest time. In fact I don't seem to remember it mentioned in the FEMA report. So what's your point?

 

[DGM]

There are plenty of people who said they heard explosions or bomb like sounds. Do you dispute this?

I seem to remember there were also no pictures of that giant gash in wtc7 for the longest time. In fact I don't seem to remember it mentioned in the FEMA report. So what's your point?

Why didn't the microphones that don't use similes pick them up.

 

[LastChild]

So if I understand LastChild's argument correctly, he's saying that the surrounding chaos and noise may have muffled the sounds of the CD charges, thus explaining why none of the recording equipment in the area picked them up, and no one heard them.

Is that what I said?

Except of course in the cases when people reported hearing "explosives", in which case the surrounding chaos and noise didn't muffle the CD charges.

Nope, I don't see any flaws in that logic.

The flaw is in your character. It's called dishonesty.

 

[Arus808]

no lastchild, its you who are being dishonest; intellectually dishonest, and its fully well demonstrated by your posts that you dont mind being dishonest in the slightest. you ignore your contradictions that YOU are making, just so you can hear yourself speak.

THIS is not a game Lastchild, but you dont mind laughing at it.

 

[beachnut]

Who is claiming it was? You're comparing cherry picked recorded audio nothing else. The wtc was loud. Just read Gravy's page about the explosive like sounds.

Some audio on 9/11 is closer than the safe limit the CDs were recorded at; on 9/11 we would have had people with inner ears blasted, and the sounds would have been overloading the audio on all the cameras for 2000 feet! But NOT. Not one explosive is heard on 9/11. So as I listen looking up, I saw no windows blasted due to RDX either. No sound, no sight, no explosives. Now you were saying you have some evidence. You don't.

 

[LastChild]

Some audio on 9/11 is closer than the safe limit the CDs were recorded at; on 9/11 we would have had people with inner ears blasted, and the sounds would have been overloading the audio on all the cameras for 2000 feet! But NOT. Not one explosive is heard on 9/11. So as I listen looking up, I saw no windows blasted due to RDX either. No sound, no sight, no explosives. Now you were saying you have some evidence. You don't.

What do you know about it? When a home video camera is used there is built in automatic wind noise prevention and noise reduction. When it's a news camera the camera isn’t recording the sound the microphone of the news person is and it's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser mic. Do you know the difference? Do you know what compression is, noise gate, noise reduction? Do you know the difference in sound made in an empty building to sound made in a room with building contents, carpeting, furniture, and thick glass? Do you know the difference between recording video and audio professionally at a controlled demolition and mixing it for the desired effect and recording video and sound from a hand held camera running down the street during a 110 story building collapse?

 

[Brainache]

What do you know about it? When a home video camera is used there is built in automatic wind noise prevention and noise reduction. When it's a news camera the camera isn’t recording the sound the microphone of the news person is and it's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser mic. Do you know the difference? Do you know what compression is, noise gate, noise reduction? Do you know the difference in sound made in an empty building to sound made in a room with building contents, carpeting, furniture, and thick glass? Do you know the difference between recording video and audio professionally at a controlled demolition and mixing it for the desired effect and recording video and sound from a hand held camera running down the street during a 110 story building collapse?

None of this explains why all the windows didn't shatter as the demo. charges went off.

Also, are you trying to tell me that a Sennheiser 416 plugged into a Betacam with a 90db pad won't pick up the sound of explosives?

 

[leftysergeant]

There were people with audio equipment in line of sight of WTC 7. They heard no cutting charges.

In line of sight, on a city street, the noise would have been channeled right to the microphone.

In this case, the lack of evidence is evidence, because, for CD to be true, the evidence should have been there.

No debris or smoke jected hoizontally, no HE. That simple.

 

[Mince]

What do you know about it? When a home video camera is used there is built in automatic wind noise prevention and noise reduction. When it's a news camera the camera isn’t recording the sound the microphone of the news person is and it's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser mic. Do you know the difference? Do you know what compression is, noise gate, noise reduction? Do you know the difference in sound made in an empty building to sound made in a room with building contents, carpeting, furniture, and thick glass? Do you know the difference between recording video and audio professionally at a controlled demolition and mixing it for the desired effect and recording video and sound from a hand held camera running down the street during a 110 story building collapse?

I don't know about any of this this stuff. Please explain each item to me in great detail, including any relevent scientific principles and calculations.

 

[beachnut]

What do you know about it? When a home video camera is used there is built in automatic wind noise prevention and noise reduction. When it's a news camera the camera isn’t recording the sound the microphone of the news person is and it's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser mic. Do you know the difference? Do you know what compression is, noise gate, noise reduction? Do you know the difference in sound made in an empty building to sound made in a room with building contents, carpeting, furniture, and thick glass? Do you know the difference between recording video and audio professionally at a controlled demolition and mixing it for the desired effect and recording video and sound from a hand held camera running down the street during a 110 story building collapse?

I know the difference, and you have failed again to present facts to support your failed ideas. But you will continue to fail on this topic. Good video, shows you are wrong, but then you seem to like the lies of 9/11 truth.

 

[HereticHulk]

This movie gave me a idea for a new demolition company. This could take off and be huge! Here is the idea:

I plan to take decommissioned airplanes and crash them at top speeds into buildings that are scheduled for demolition. This would kill two birds with one stone.

So, who wants to invest in this potential billion dollar industry?

 

[T.A.M.]

Star Wars Laser Weapons are much neater, and they go "Zooom!!!" when you use them...I'd say stick with them rather than branch out HH.

TAM

 

[Hyperviolet]

Let me suggest though that Gravy needs to work on his titles. "World Trade Center Not a Demolition" is as dull as dishwater. So let's work on a better title for the film!

My thoughts:

Probable Collapse. Of course it would help if anybody had actually seen Mike Berger's film Improbable Collapse to get the gag, and the "Probable" part is weak.

Couple of Bucks. Takeoff on Loose Change, but has the same weakness; no apparent relationship between the title and the film.

9-11 Mysteries Solved. Negative is that there's no bit with Gravy saying clunkety clunk 110 times in 10 seconds to prove Sofia wrong.

How about simply "Laughing Gravy?"

 

[johnny karate]

Is that what I said?

Yup.

I didn't say completely. And are you claiming the WTC made no sound? I think it's even Gravy on his web page who tries to assert that witnesses even firefighters claimed to hear explosive like sounds but that they weren't explosives. Now all of a sudden there is completely no sound? And there is such a thing as acoustics. Ever hear a Bass Bin? Do you know how a Bose stereo work? It’s the same effect as a boom omitting from empty rooms and halls out open windows. There is also such a thing as contrast while everyone is standing around quietly holding their breath waiting for the first explosions to go off. There is a big jump in the sound. With the WTC there are sirens going off, helicopters, people screaming, and a 110 story building collapsing the noise gate on the camera is already up.

Just because you can't keep track of your own contradictions doesn't mean others can't.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

What do you know about it? When a home video camera is used there is built in automatic wind noise prevention and noise reduction. When it's a news camera the camera isn’t recording the sound the microphone of the news person is and it's a dynamic mic as opposed to a condenser mic. Do you know the difference? Do you know what compression is, noise gate, noise reduction? Do you know the difference in sound made in an empty building to sound made in a room with building contents, carpeting, furniture, and thick glass? Do you know the difference between recording video and audio professionally at a controlled demolition and mixing it for the desired effect and recording video and sound from a hand held camera running down the street during a 110 story building collapse?

I'd go so far as to say I probably know more about those things than anyone else on this entire forum by far. And it's nonsense. What you are talking about effects things like relections and diffusion. It in no way what so ever prevents sound from traveling, and especially not at those decibles. At those volumes it's no longer even an issue o moving air, it's moving physical mass. Even a deaf person would know there were charges going off because the pressure would be so great they would feel it.

The mics in most of those cameras are omni directional, and the variables in them are the same as the variables in the cameras and mics in those demolition videos. The fact is that ever single one in the demolition recordings ALL captured the explosions, as they should. And not a single camera/recording on 9/11 captured the chaarge sounds, as they shouldn't have since they didn't exist. And some people such as myself were there in person and can confirm to you that there absolutely were no such sounds.

To say that the reason is because of the windows and interior contents which might absorb some reflections and diffuse the sound is absolutely nonsense.

 

[Pookster]

Ah, so the contents of the buildings and the windows muffle the sounds of explosives completely? Care to provide anything to back that up?

BTW, the distance many of the video cameras on 9/11 was much less than that of the cameras on those demolition examples. Are we implying that somehow altitude somehow prevents sound form traveling? That's a pretty interesting claim.

Just based on the effects of the concussions from the blasts in the empty and prepped buildings, I'd expect the concussion from any explosives in the volume likely needed for any alleged CD at the WTC would've easily shattered and sent glass quite some distance at Ground Zero with lethal effects.

 

[CHF]

This movie gave me a idea for a new demolition company. This could take off and be huge! Here is the idea:

I plan to take decommissioned airplanes and crash them at top speeds into buildings that are scheduled for demolition. This would kill two birds with one stone.

So, who wants to invest in this potential billion dollar industry?

Yeah I suppose that could work....

If all the buildings slated for destruction had the same design of the WTC towers (ie no concrete core).

Oh and there's also the wee problem of the 9/11 collapses destroying or damaging over a dozen buildings in the area!

Hey, I think I just realized why no one does those kinds of "demolitions"