Witnesses Corroborating Rodriguez's Claims?

[AZCat]

ah the cost...may be it is too expensive but this is the only way i and many others can be convinced if the fireball hypothesis is true. maybe the family members who lost loved ones that day would not quibble too much about the cost to uncover the truth - that the official hypothesis prove itself. however in relation the demolition of the twin towers i would expect that experiments be undertaken to prove that fire can progressively collapse a steel frame building.

Experiments have already been conducted with this in mind. Please read the NIST report - they are covered in depth.

 

[thewholesoul]

thewholesoul should investigate who nick rockerfeller (sic) is and isn't related to and report back to us. That would be funny.

Btw, I have one of those aeron chairs. Very comfortable.

who nick rockefeller is related to is beside the point. the point was that he had foreknowledge that an "event" was going to happen which would justify the current and post 911 american foreign policy.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order....Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen." from prisonplanet.com

rockefeller was not the only one who had foreknowldge of 911.

besides i am telling you that its Aaron - not Aeron Russo. please out of respect at least try get the spelling correct grravy. you wont be told again.

 

[thewholesoul]

So you're upset that the US military was unable to protect you from terrorism but you'd rather excuse this failing by ascribing something more sinister to it because that way, once the sinister plot is uncovered and the perps are brought to justice, the threat will have gone away and you will be safe again.

i am not from america...i sleep perfectly sound thanks very much

 

[beachnut]

not JAQing off making an observation. after the first plane hit it did not take the fire department 45 mins before they reacted. after the first plane hit 45 minutes later the branch of the military responsible for reacting to such events (which they trained for) did not even react??

no-one got fired??

you can bury your head in 19 pages of sand if you like. but i agree this is off topic so lets just drop it.

The air force does not shoot down planes after they hit buildings. The air force never trained to shoot down planes taken over by hijackers over the US. The air force was used to follow planes when requested or available to track hijacked planes, watch hijacked planes. But on 9/11 no one knew the hijacked planes were being used as weapons until the second impact, except the military, and they were coming!

But you have a problem of which planes are hijacked and which hijacked planes are weapons. Too bad you are not able to ask real questions, these are old, a better approach by you would be to read the many resources on the topic already and try to answer your own questions first and then check them. Instead out of ignorance you as stupid questions about things you do not even understand. I doubt if you have a clue about hijacking and what the US military would do when notified of Hijacking.

You even fail to bring up witnesses to corroborate Rodriquez's claim, so it is expect your research on other 9/11 topics is poor.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

hey man, i apologise for blowing up like that, i had a bad day and when i read the posts of people still going on about this racist charge i just saw red when you questioned if i was a racist.

Completely understandable.

 

[thewholesoul]

If you think that Ross's calculations, which contain glaring errors, are in any way equal in weight to Greening's, then you simply don't have the expertise to understand the arguments.

ross could be wrong but so could the experts advocating the official hypothesis. remember Eduardo Kausel, an engineering professor at MITand
and Matthys Levy? both "experts" claimed that fire melted steel. did you agree with their version of the official story when it was propogated?

Putting it simply, Ross takes the energy that would be expected to collapse the towers, then takes it away and pretends it never existed. In a physical analogy, it's like taking the engine out of a car, demonstrating that the car won't start, and concluding that cars are impossible.

i dont like your analogy. imagine you have a 5 storey apartment block with atube and tube design. you separate the 5th storey and drop it 30ft. i would predict that it will never crush the 4 floors below and then itself, in other words i predict that if the official hypothesis was actually tested through experimentation that we would never witness a progressive global collapse out of a 100 trials. if i observed a global collapse in any of the 100 trials i would accept the official hypothesis.

It's impossible to stress this too much: Ross is wrong, and obviously wrong. Anybody who knows a small amount of mathematics and physics will be able to see this. It's not a matter of opinion.

only an experiment will prove your hypothesis right and ross's hypothesis wrong. all i hear from you is support for one experts calculations and objection to anothers.

 

[beachnut]

still no witnesses, drat

who nick rockefeller is related to is beside the point. the point was that he had foreknowledge that an "event" was going to happen which would justify the current and post 911 american foreign policy.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order....Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen." from prisonplanet.com

rockefeller was not the only one who had foreknowldge of 911.

besides i am telling you that its Aaron - not Aeron Russo. please out of respect at least try get the spelling correct grravy. you wont be told again.

What pipe lines? NWO? Holy sock-puppet! PRISONPLANET@ woo world puke.

So, please list the people who had foreknowledge of 19 hijackers cutting throats with aircraft impacts?

At first I thought you had bogus stuff but when you get your stuff from PrisonPlanet that is a horse of a different color...

 

[Gravy]

and aeron russo in a conversation with one of nick rockerfeller

i am telling you that its Aaron - not Aeron Russo. please out of respect at least try get the spelling correct grravy. you wont be told again.

Stundielicious!

 

[Slayhamlet]

who nick rockefeller is related to is beside the point. the point was that he had foreknowledge that an "event" was going to happen which would justify the current and post 911 american foreign policy.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order....Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen." from prisonplanet.com

rockefeller was not the only one who had foreknowldge of 911.

besides i am telling you that its Aaron - not Aeron Russo. please out of respect at least try get the spelling correct grravy. you wont be told again.

He was referring to the Aeron chair. "Aaron chairs" don't exist.

 

[LashL]

Stundielicious!

Oh my. That is a winner, that one.

 

[beachnut]

how do you tell them 9/11 truth is 9/11 lies?

i am not from america...i sleep perfectly sound thanks very much

He and Zlaya are from the former Yugoslavia (suspected, and probably wrong on my part). If you consider the internet, and their second language, these guys have the potential of being better debunkers than any 9/11 truth people can be a truther. But how do you get them to understand 99 percent of all google hits on 9/11 are BS 9/11 truth lies (9/11 truth is really a pack of liars).

How do you get someone who does not think in English (like me born in PA, raised in GA), understand "9/11 truth" is really "9/11 liars spreading false information"?

Irony, lies, and false information must be hard to understand presented in English when you think in your own native language.

Ironically I have an Aeron chair from my daughter, CFO (I wonder if she was going to be the fall woman), at a dot com dropout company (she had to sell off the entire company)!. How do you discover the nuts (Russo), on certain topics with ease and you are not even an American. Why do you grab on to people on the fringe. Does it make you feel better to think America is messed up and you believe the PrisonPlanet junk? If you judge the US by information from PrisonPlanet, you will have a most perverted outlook on the US. Showing great respect for nuts on income tax evasion, is ironic and you would fit in very well with the people of the "income tax evasion" click.

 

[A W Smith]

TheSolelHole gets mad at hisself for spelling and projects onto gravy

maybe you should talk with the pilots for 911 truth about that.

as for osama being a smart guy, i still find it unbelievable that 4 planes can be hijacked and three of them hit three of there targets without the most financed and modern military the world has ever seen doing absolutely nothing...one big whopsy - i dont buy it.

if you admit someone made a mistake or incompetance then how can you explain no-one getting punished. only promotions handed out??

and condolisa rice lying that they had no knowledge that someone would attack with planes - failure of imagination - yea right.

bush not even going under oath to the 911 commission and had to be accompanied by cheney- the whole thing stinks. and whether or not there were explosives in the towers at the very least someone had foreknowledge - how could a cook like alex jones predict 911??

and aeron russo in a conversation with one of nick rockerfeller was told that a major event (reffering to 911) was under way and from which the war on terror would be born.

who nick rockefeller is related to is beside the point. the point was that he had foreknowledge that an "event" was going to happen which would justify the current and post 911 american foreign policy.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order....Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen." from prisonplanet.com

rockefeller was not the only one who had foreknowldge of 911.

besides i am telling you that its Aaron - not Aeron Russo. please out of respect at least try get the spelling correct grravy. you wont be told again.

Stundielicious!

you can say that again

 

[thewholesoul]

Experiments have already been conducted with this in mind. Please read the NIST report - they are covered in depth.

as far as i am aware NIST has not conducted any experiments with scale models of the entire tower. i'm sure they did conduct various experimnets with the floor trusses, fire-proofing etc. but these are not quite the same thing.

i would love to see an episode of mythbusters tackle this issue. if they built a scale model and tested the official storey. fat chance they would take this on however. but if they did and the jet fuel caused progressive global collapse i would happily support the official storey.

 

[thewholesoul]

:you can say that again

that was a good one, i had to laugh at that myself

to be honest i dont care about poor spelling, but i criticised grravy for doing so because he made a big deal out of it earlier with me.

but i really shot myself in the foot when i too spelt his name wrong in the post...hahahahah,,,caught red handed and guilty as charged

 

[Totovader]

as far as i am aware NIST has not conducted any experiments with scale models of the entire tower. i'm sure they did conduct various experimnets with the floor trusses, fire-proofing etc. but these are not quite the same thing.

i would love to see an episode of mythbusters tackle this issue. if they built a scale model and tested the official storey. fat chance they would take this on however. but if they did and the jet fuel caused progressive global collapse i would happily support the official storey.

What experiment would you like to have done with "a scale model"?

Think carefully...

 

[LashL]

that was a good one, i had to laugh at that myself

to be honest i dont care about poor spelling, but i criticised grravy for doing so because he made a big deal out of it earlier with me.

but i really shot myself in the foot when i too spelt his name wrong in the post...hahahahah,,,caught red handed and guilty as charged

You did indeed shoot yourself in the foot, but it's good that you admit it and can laugh about it.

Still, you seem to missing the fact that Gravy did not make the spelling mistake that you attributed to him. He was pointing out your spelling mistake by referring, correctly, to the Aeron chair.

So, that makes your last post, quoted above, almost doubly Stundelicious.

 

[Gravy]

Geez, talk about denial. Kid doesn't even know it was his error to begin with.

I'd ask if he knows that he's misspelling Gravy, but I don't think I want to know.

 

[thewholesoul]

The problem with this is that you need to understand the scaling laws, which requires mathematics. Your 1% scale model won't collapse, for reasons posted elsewhere in this thread, unless the support columns are underscale by about 100 times, in which case you'll claim it wasn't a fair representation of the towers. Again, you need to understand the mathematics yourself to understand the results.

you make a good point here.

if we cannot make a scale model there must be some other way aside from compuer models to test a progressive collapse?

but with the fireball theory in the basement 8 stories could be constructed exactly to scale.

 

[Totovader]

you make a good point here.

if we cannot make a scale model there must be some other way aside from compuer models to test a progressive collapse?

but with the fireball theory in the basement 8 stories could be constructed exactly to scale.

Why would computer models be insufficient?

 

[tomwaits]

Pfffff computers. Inaccurate pieces of junk. Chicken wire, however....