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Twoofers Only: The Mark Roberts Factual Error Thread

Today, 07:54 AM #831
Swing Dangler
“Ladies and gentlemen....the next error...”

“Mark does do a great job of listing accounts of all of the trivial things that were found by people on the scene, including seat cushions, tickets, airplane parts (sorry no planers), etc, but fails to include the accounts of Bellone and De Masi. Why? Fallacy of Omission? Poor research?”

Today, 08:48 AM #837 Lopakhin

“Firstly, Mr Roberts does deal with this claim, here:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html

I guess 54 minutes is not a record for Swing’s lies to be exposed, is it?

Anyway, in light of RedIbis wager, it appears that Swing owes a bunch of Stundiebucks to someone.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
Canyou really not see that changing the quote is lying?
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Keep in mind that Ryan is referring only to Silverstein's 2002 quote. He says that quote, which Ryan changed from "they made that decision" to "the fire commander and I made that decision" is an admission of guilt on Silverstein's part. How much more blatant does lying have to be for a conspiracist to recognize it?

I have absolutely no idea why people still respond to a troll like Swing Dangler. He's not wrong by accident. He gets nothing right because he wants to get nothing right. He's here for attention only.
 
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Just popping my head in this thread.

What's the error count at?
Still at zero?

Or has one been found yet?
 
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Gravy said:
I have absolutely no idea why people still respond to a troll like Swing Dangler. He's not wrong by accident. He gets nothing right because he wants to get nothing right. He's here for attention only.
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Yeah, but he is like a car crash, you can't keep your eyes off of him. Seriously.

On the other hand, he single handedly advances the "Debunker" movement every time he posts! Can you imagine a "fence sitter" reading his posts: "Cripes, is this guy STILL trying to justify Ryan's lie?"

*truth mode on:

Swing is disinfo!

*truth mode off
 
RedIbis said:
I see that Bellone is not a reliable source, but how about DeMasi? Are you calling him a liar?
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You seem to accept every CT claim as fact and require it be debunked before you discard it?

Is there some point at which you will demand a CT claim be substantiated before accepting it? It seems a reasonable person, after seeing such claims destroyed one after the other would get the hint. Am I asking to much?
 
DavidJames said:
You seem to accept every CT claim as fact and require it be debunked before you discard it?

Is there some point at which you will demand a CT claim be substantiated before accepting it? It seems a reasonable person, after seeing such claims destroyed one after the other would get the hint. Am I asking to much?
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I was being sincere with my questions and my observations that Bellone's claims can be construed as specious considering his lack of credibility.

I'm asking if Gravy is discrediting DeMasi, as well, and if not, should his claim that the boxes were found be taken seriously. If not, why not?
 
RedIbis said:
I was being sincere with my questions and my observations that Bellone's claims can be construed as specious considering his lack of credibility.
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I am not doubting your sincerity...
RedIbis said:
I'm asking if Gravy is discrediting DeMasi, as well, and if not, should his claim that the boxes were found be taken seriously. If not, why not?
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I know what you're asking which is why I made my post. I guess the answer to my question is no, at no point will you: "demand a CT claim be substantiated before accepting it?"

Thanks for your honesty.
 
DavidJames said:
I guess the answer to my question is no, at no point will you: "demand a CT claim be substantiated before accepting it?"

Thanks for your honesty.
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Incorrect. If someone makes a claim, I am always curious how it is or is not validated.

FTR, I am not very much persuaded in space beams, no planes or pods. Likewise, I have never been very much impressed by pancakes, global progressive collapse and comprehensive incompetence.

Thanks for your civility.
 
16.5 said:
Today, 07:54 AM #831
“Firstly, Mr Roberts does deal with this claim, here:
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html
I guess 54 minutes is not a record for Swing’s lies to be exposed, is it?
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So now I have to cross reference the nonsense to get to the facts?
Anyway, in light of RedIbis wager, it appears that Swing owes a bunch of Stundiebucks to someone.
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Hmm Demasi a liar too?

Try the quote button for a change. First this:
Think about it. These two men found three of the four blackboxes from the huge clean up site that hundreds were poring over? 75% of the boxes found by these two men and no-one else?
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And to imagine a single terrorist passport being found by one person. Not so implausible in that light is it?

So you accept this statement from Gravy in LC guide:
I believe evidence. No evidence has been presented that the boxes were recovered.
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No boys and girls this is selective acceptance of evidence. This is an example of Mark saying, well I will accept this eyewitness testimony and statements regarding (insert topic here) but in this case I will only believe evidence. Can you say double standard? I thought you could!

This site and this site will explain why I don't necessarily accept as truth everything from the FBI like many of you do.

Is DeMasi a liar and fraud also? Nobody ever got around to answering that question.

Gravy-He's here for attention only.
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Really? I'm here for attention? LOL. I'm anonymous your not. You plaster your face on a web banner, I don't. Some Papers, Videos, and Appearances by Me...
Who is the attention seeker?
 

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Swing Dangler said:
And to imagine a single terrorist passport being found by one person. Not so implausible in that light is it?
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One person among the many that were around the towers finding one of the passports? Not really implausible. Seems quite plausible. Now try to tell me that same person found 75% of the terrorists passports, I'd agree that it's implausible.
 
RedIbis said:
Incorrect. If someone makes a claim, I am always curious how it is or is not validated.
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Fair enough. I guess I never see the parts where you question the CT's. I only see that parts where you come here to have them debunked.

Can you point me to some places where you attempt to validate the CT claims?
 
Swing Dangler said:
Really? I'm here for attention? LOL. I'm anonymous your not. You plaster your face on a web banner, I don't. Some Papers, Videos, and ...

Who is the attention seeker?
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He said "attention only". Nice quote mining, or did your reading comprehension fail you? Gravy has made numerous contributions to understanding and debunking claims made by the Truth Movement and such. So far, I don't see much of anything provided by you except debunked claims and false accusations.
 
"Hmm Demasi a liar too?"

Hey, Champ, you said that Gravy did not address it, and you lied. Why you moving the goalposts? C'mon Swing, at least have the guts to admit you were wrong. C'mon Swing:

"yeah, i admit it, I was wrong when i said Gravy ignored it. My bad."

"Try the quote button for a change."

Now Swing, why the heck would I want to make your life easier. However, admit you lied, and I will do so.
 
Demasi claims that he rode an ATV around the site with 3 FBI agents and they came across three of the four black boxes in the rubble. Now, does this sound feasible to anyone?

The rubble pile is many stories high. Millions of pounds, millions of cubic feet of rubble. Yet without digging, Demasi says the drove around and found three black boxes. Not one, not two, but three! What are the odds that one person would find three of the four while on an ATV and amongst the hundreds of searchers? Long odds indeed.

Odd that Demasi's claim did not come out til 2003 but I suppose he could have thought the FBI would release the info when it was declassified.

Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents.

“I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.”

Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn’t break a fellow worker’s confidence by revealing his identity.
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How convenient. Possible criminal activity by the govt and Bellone thinks it is more important to not betray fellow workers' confidence. Sure. Someone post that "Stand Up" picture witht eh guy sitting down again cause it is so appropriate.
 
DavidJames said:
Fair enough. I guess I never see the parts where you question the CT's. I only see that parts where you come here to have them debunked.

Can you point me to some places where you attempt to validate the CT claims?
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I don't validate "CT claims." I look for validation of the official story and find it sorely lacking.
 
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