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Why Flight 93?

wtcconspiracy said:
I am sorry didnt even realise you asked a question on 911 report purpose....you just said NIST report not commission report.....Is that a question:confused:
Ben
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For someone who has just claimed they read a lot you sure missed this question about the report?

funk said:
2. WTC7 was not attacked that day so is not mentioned in the report (you do know the purpose of the report?)
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Feel free to ignore as it is a derail anyway.
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Yes I read the 9/11 comission report.
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No, you haven't. You didn't even know there was an investigation.

That is the one that fails to mention the 47 steel columns in world trade center core as they dont fit into a total collapse scenario.
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The 9/11 Commission report was not an engineering report, which you'd know if you had read it.

And the one that leaves out wtc 7.
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False. WTC 7 is discussed five times in the report, and is included in graphics. You'd know that if you'd read the report.

And the one that leaves out the testimony which says Dick Cheney was in the white house bunker before he said he was, Before the pentagon was hit and was saying the flight should not be shot down. We all remember that testimony right...Is that the book...
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Mineta's testimony is off by a half-hour, which everyone but hardcore irrationalists recognize, including the 9/11 Commission and the people who were there with Cheney and Mineta.

Are you interested in learning, or do you plan to go through life being deliberately ignorant?

And since you claim to have read the Commission report, why don't you point out anything significant in it that's false? You'll be the first conspiracist who's been here to do so.

Or perhaps the information in the report is accurate, but you just can't face all those facts.

Let's see what you're made of, Ben. What about flight 93 does the 9/11 Commission report get wrong? Back your claims with verifiable evidence.
 
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wtcconspiracy said:
I thought the transportation secretary Norman Mineta said in his testimony

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And...

– Norman Mineta

Sorry am i mistaken by that.....hmm....dont think its a lie when he said it....why would he lie to the 9/11 commission testimony....

No WTC 7 was not directly attacked but supposedly collapsed as a result of the terrorist attacks. I mean I know it wasnt attacked by Bin Laden. But as a result of the plane crashes and wtc collapse that building collapsed, so I think it could have been briefly mentioned....Well I suppose if NIST still cant release there final report as to why it collapsed then the commission wouldnt have had a clue so leaving it out all together was a safe bet.

And I have read NIST and 9/11 commission report.....I do my research before making a conclusion....My opinions are based on a few years of reading...

Ben
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wtc:

Have you ever wondered, if the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated or allowed by the big bad USG as part of some NWO, why such a powerful and evil cabal would allow this oh so damning testimony from Minetia to remain in the public record? Why did they not place a gag order on said precedings? Why was his testimony even recorded? Why did they even call him to testify, if he was witness to the plot in action? Why have they allowed any of this oh so damning evidence out into the ether?

It really gets tiresome to have people claim 9/11 was perpetrated by some all powerful NWO, that while being superpowerful and superevil, was also superdumb, and superabsentminded.

That, my friend, is what does not make sense.

TAM:)
 
R.Mackey said:
I'd always wondered what kind of person it took to be swayed by Killtown, the guy so biblically stupid that he adds feet and miles per hour together as part of an exercise where he "Schools" all of us, and then doesn't even understand the explanation of why you can't do that. I mean, if there's a dumber person in the world, it could only be someone who looked up to him.

Fortunately, I don't think anyone that stupid exists.
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tomm said:
Only delusional crazy people think a 757 crashed there. You're not one of them, are you Brainache?

And thanks for the "welcome."
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You mean like the good folks over at United Airlines. They seem to believe that one of their 757 crashed there. But I guess they're delusional.
 
Since the majority of people on planet earth believe a 757 crashed there, that makes the majority of man kind "delusional" and "Crazy", and if that is the case, then by definition, "Delusional and Crazy" become normal...oh well.

TAM:)
 
funk de fino said:
For someone who has just claimed they read a lot you sure missed this question about the report?



Feel free to ignore as it is a derail anyway.
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sorry i thought you were referencing to the 9/11 comission report....can you rephrase your exact question and i will answer...

Ben
 
gumboot said:
That was the Tech Sergeant at NEADS talking to someone at Washington ARTCC. Neither of these people were in the White House.

How were the people in the White House following the status of UA93?

-Gumboot
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ok that was my mistake about that conversation its in the 9/11 comission report pg 31.....neads and faa(DC). Sorry about that error...

Ben
 
AMTMAN said:
I for one did not insult you. In post 646 I just pointed out the flaws in one of your arguements.
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I know you didnt insult me....I meant someone who called my posts pathetic...and someone who said about IQ levels......But you were just making a point....I have no problem with that...

Ben
 
Here are some things to think about....ALL About Flight 93

1. No Arab names on flight manifest.

2. FAA registered tail number N591UA, the alleged tail number for Flight 93 as valid until sept 2005.

3. United airlines reported it's flight 93 landed at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport on 9/11

4. A view of the crater shows the plane plunged into the soft ground almost vertically....Yet the hole is only about 20 feet wide but the plane has a 125 ft wingspan.

5. Mayor of Shanksville when commenting on the site said. "There was no plane, No nothing, Only this hole"

6. Capt Frank Monaco of Pennsylvania state police said. " There was no tail sections, No jet engines, No large sections of fueselage in view anywhere near impact crater.

7. Coroner Wallace Miller said there was no bodies there, not one drop of blood..... just what looked like a ten foot ditch with trash in it...

8. Why has government allowed no public access to flight data and cockpit voice recorders. FBI refused detailed investigation of crash site. Filled in crater with dirt and topsoil and cut down scorched trees and shredded them to mulch.. More evidence destroyed...

9. According to Reuters report dated 9/13/01 the FBI was refusing to rule out flight 93 shoot down. Pennsylvania state police officials said on 9/13 that debris from plane was found up to 8 miles away from crash site and that local residents spoke of second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky. The fact that debris was found so far from crash site indicates that the aircraft was disintergrating before it hit the ground....

10. Remember the image of the plane hitting the second tower and that enormous fireball we saw when all the jet fuel instantly ignited...Why in the shot from Pennsylvania do we see a puff of black smoke and no more....If that fireball which was so huge at the towers was all the jet fuel igniting why no such fireball for flight 93....I mean the grass around the edge of the crater was hardly singed...Yet at the wtc the jet fuel fire was so intense it buckled ( see i didnt say melted ) steel...I mean the people often say conspiracy theorists cant have it both ways....well neither can you....was the fire hot enough to buckle steel and bring down buildings....or was it not even that hot that it didnt cause more fire at flight 93 site....Just think about that one...

11. The flight may well have been on route to attack the nations capital...But what if the global hawk or other remote control system used to control this plane had malfunctioned....What if the passengers had took back the plane as the lets roll story would have us believe. You see on board was Donald Greene, an experienced pilot of single engined planes. There was also Andrew Garcia, Former Air Traffic Controller. These two men with much ground assistance may well have been able to land this plane. Well what would have happened....Did they get control of the plane...And communicate with the ground that they were in control which is when they were shot down....Dont forget about the discrepancy of if flight 93 crashed at 10:03 or 10:06...What if the plane following 93 shot it down as orders from the ground said to do so....Maybe just maybe this plane was heading for washington...But when the passengers fought back....The government could not have this plane land...I mean what if there were no hijackers....or what if there were but they would have blown the lid off the whole story.....

12. At approximatly 9:58 AM Edward Felt called 911.....Mr. Felt had locked himself in a bathroom on flight 93 and reported the plane had been hijacked and there had been an explosion aboard the plane and he could see white smoke....Authorities could never explain this report and the 911 tape was confiscated by the FBI.

Please just think about some of these points.....

Ben
 
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wtcconspiracy said:
I know you didnt insult me....I meant someone who called my posts pathetic...and someone who said about IQ levels......But you were just making a point....I have no problem with that...

Ben
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Then you should try and refute the point I made.
 
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Ben:

In order for you to belive that a United 757 did not crash you would also have to believe that United was in on it. Care to explain this to us.
 
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