Running a legal brothel where it's illegal...sorta

Despite the care taken in the Porn industry to protect against STDs, there have been some fairly recent cases that shook the industry. -- Porn workers in the US are regularly tested, and generally date amongst themselves. As to the industry in general, Brian Flemming (of Bat Boy, and The God who wasn't there fame) did a story of one young actress essentially ordered to do very dangerous sex acts from which she contacted AIDS.


So given the Porn industry as an example, would you trust your life to the prostitute and her sexual history?
 
ShowerComic said:
Despite the care taken in the Porn industry to protect against STDs, there have been some fairly recent cases that shook the industry. -- Porn workers in the US are regularly tested, and generally date amongst themselves. As to the industry in general, Brian Flemming (of Bat Boy, and The God who wasn't there fame) did a story of one young actress essentially ordered to do very dangerous sex acts from which she contacted AIDS.


So given the Porn industry as an example, would you trust your life to the prostitute and her sexual history?
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Well, I'd sure as hell want my money back, I can tell you that much!
 
rjh01 said:
Here are the names, addresses and telephone numbers for brothels. All 100% legal. All in Australia
In the
ACT

Sydney

Perth WA

Adelaide SA

These links are safe (just) for work. However the links within the links are not safe at work or with your spouse.
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Err... if you want to go by the legality of prostitution in Australia based on those links then you are 75% correct.

In SA prostitution is legally illegal, but the police stance is one of de facto legality, this also sort of applies to the government as well. Attempts here to legalise the industry have met with vehement opposition, mainly because Adelaide is full of really conservative people who want to keep Adelaide as a "big country town" instead of a city.

Hell there was an uproar when it was revealed that the department in charge of the disabled was giving out brothels that would cater for the disabled.
 
DRBUZZ0 said:
But how could you do that openly in a place where prostitution is illegal?

In the 1920's alcohol was illegal in the US, but there was one way in places like New York to have a nice evening of drinks without violating the law. One only needed to take the short trip to international waters in what was called a "Booze Cruise."

So why not the same for prostitution? Deals not made until outside US jurisdiction, on a nice boat with private staterooms. If it grew to a large enough buisness oen could even have a large vessle offshore with smaller boats ferrying customers to and from the floating brothel. High rollers by private water taxi or even helicpoter.

Of course, this would also be an excellent venue for a cassino and some duty-free shopping as well. I see no reason why this would be illegal. Laws in international waters are a complicated patchwork of treaties and traditional commonlaws. Major crimes may get prosecuted in the home port of a vessel or by an international court. However, prostitution does not violate international law. It's legal in many nations.
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As my accountant told me years ago:

1) The IRS isn't stupid
2) No matter what scheme you come up with to avoid taxes, someone else has already thought of it, and it is illegal

Now I realize this isn't a tax situation, but I think the lesson is the same:

1) The police/FBI/INS/whatever aren't stupid
2) No matter what scheme you come up with to circumvent prostitution laws, someone else has already thought of it, and it is illegal
 
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This kind of reminds me of the plan I had once to create a company called "Mile High Adventures." I'd sell airplane sight seeing tours, it's just that we'd have a matress in the back of the plane, and a curtain to separate the pilot from the passengers. Kind of "don't ask, don't tell" approach.

I'd worry that the cost might be prohibitive, but I've never asked any pilots about the cost of renting a plane for an hour.
 
Brothels are illegal, but being an "out call escort" is not... so long as you know the work around.
One could easily be a "out-call escort", so long as you advertise that you are providing companionship for a night out. There is no mention of sex. However, if these two consenting adult happen to have sex, then that's great, they've hit it off. And if the person who used the escort decided to leave an extra tip, that's the "renter's" choice.
This is how they avoid prostitution charges. No mention of money is made after they meet face to face, and it's understood that if the escort choose not to have sex, then that's his/her perogative.

Personally, I'd love to run a legal brothel, and I'm in total agreement with the OP. There are three things people will always buy no matter what financial situtation they are in: Food, Sex, and way to escape.

However, instead of a brothel, one can legally open a swing club anywhere in the country. This would pose a different set of problems, but it's all on the up and up. And done very well, it can extremely profitable. I do adult shows at these places and they are always full!!

As to using filming porno as a front to prostitution, I've been making porno for about six years now (behind the camera, not in front) and I know that there are a whole bunch of religious groups who are trying to prove that all sex movies ARE prosititution, period. It's a stupid arguement by them but every few years, they try to prove it. So doing it that way is not advisable by me...
 
pgwenthold said:
I'd worry that the cost might be prohibitive, but I've never asked any pilots about the cost of renting a plane for an hour.
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Depends on the plane. In any case, if you could bundle it with travel by plane as is that might work. I mean, I generally hate flying because of all the hassle of the baggage checks, the security, the layovers the fact that there are commonly delays...

But that might make me change my mind.
 
JFrankA said:
Brothels are illegal, but being an "out call escort" is not... so long as you know the work around.
One could easily be a "out-call escort", so long as you advertise that you are providing companionship for a night out. There is no mention of sex. However, if these two consenting adult happen to have sex, then that's great, they've hit it off. And if the person who used the escort decided to leave an extra tip, that's the "renter's" choice.
This is how they avoid prostitution charges. No mention of money is made after they meet face to face, and it's understood that if the escort choose not to have sex, then that's his/her perogative.
me...
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
1) The police/FBI/INS/whatever aren't stupid
2) No matter what scheme you come up with to circumvent prostitution laws, someone else has already thought of it, and it is illegal
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Hmmm
 
Starthinker said:
Hmmm
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I didn't say that this will fool FBI/INS/whatever agents.

What I said was that this is a work around, i.e. lawyer use this as a defense.

Prositution is "Prostitution is the act of engaging in a sex act for money. It is also illegal for a person to be solicitating sex, or ask another to engage in a sex act for money. Therefore, it is illegal for a person to offer to have sex with another for money and it is illegal for a person to accept the offer of another to have sex for money." SOURCE: http://www.gottrouble.com/legal/criminal/criminal_law/prostitution.html

A lot of out-call escort lawyer use this defense: there was no discussion for sex for money, the money was only for the company (which is not a crime), and that the sex was something that "just happened" and in no way was money for sex discussed.
 
JFrankA said:
Brothels are illegal, but being an "out call escort" is not... so long as you know the work around.
One could easily be a "out-call escort", so long as you advertise that you are providing companionship for a night out. There is no mention of sex. However, if these two consenting adult happen to have sex, then that's great, they've hit it off. And if the person who used the escort decided to leave an extra tip, that's the "renter's" choice.
This is how they avoid prostitution charges. No mention of money is made after they meet face to face, and it's understood that if the escort choose not to have sex, then that's his/her perogative.
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There are people sitting in prison who agree with your analysis. Too bad the prosecutor didn't.
 
imjohn said:
Around here the Asian Massage Parlors are brothels.

Definitely against the law, but they operate pretty openly.
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Same here in Finland. A newspaper did an undercover survey of a few dozen places, and their intrepid reporter was offered sex for cash in all of them with no prompting on his part. Apparently the massages were pretty bad, too.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
There are people sitting in prison who agree with your analysis. Too bad the prosecutor didn't.
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There are a few massage parlours in Cape Town that work on the same principal i.e. You arrive and pay for a massage with a woman of your choice in a private room upstairs. The woman gives you a massage and the two of you may or may not end up having sex together, however that is not the service that you paid for. Nor is it an advertised part of the service (even though there are obvious red neon lights outside, indicating the sorts of activities available inside).

Although sections of society have called on police to raid these parlours, the cops have responded that there is nothing they can do. People are having sex, but they're not being paid for it. They're being paid for the 5 minute massage before the sex and the massouse is in no way obligated to have sex with the client.
 
Octavo said:
There are a few massage parlours in Cape Town that work on the same principal i.e. You arrive and pay for a massage with a woman of your choice in a private room upstairs.
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But only until the school board finds out ...
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
There are people sitting in prison who agree with your analysis. Too bad the prosecutor didn't.
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....didn't say it always worked either. :)

All I mean is that this is how out-call escorts (not streetwalkers nor in-call escort), try to get around the law. Some do get around it, too. Not all, but look up out-call escorts and see how many there are. They all say that what they sell is not sex, but a night of companionship. This companionship includes going on a 'date': dinner, movie, dancing, whatever. This makes it a date.

Now the arguement is this: "The payment is for non-sexual companionship. If sex occured, it wasn't paid for or discussed. It was something that just happened between two consenting adults. All moneys negotiated and exchanged had nothing to do with sex."

Does it always work in court? No, but works enough to let a lot of high-priced escorts get away with it for years.

Personally, I think the government is missing out on a large cash cow. Prosititution (and drugs, for that matter), should be legal. The government is missing out on a LOT of tax money!!! :)
 
dann said:
But only until the school board finds out ...
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Can't manage to read your way through a whole post can you? There is nothing illegal about this practise. Loads of different groups have attempted to get them shut down. The official position of the police service is that they CANNOT do anything, because the courts CANNOT bring a case against them.

Next time, try engaging your brain. :flamed:
 
Try engaging your own brain before you start flaming and look up the word principal in a dictionary. Then you just might get the joke!
Did I say anything about illegality?
 
There is no way to completely stop prostitution. I would rather see it legalized so that in could be monitored by the goverment, specially the health department.
 
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