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Another Mall Shooting

bokonon said:
We aren't. While the deaths in Nebraska are tragic, it would be more tragic if Americans relinquished their best hope for resisting a despotic government, should it ever become necessary.
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But you haven't when it was necessary.

You have let a bunh of war crazy right wing torturers take control who have contempt for the poor.

Thus, as you won't resist a despotic government that has taken away 'habeus corpus' and other human rights, such as a right to be given a reason for being held captive, what is the point of letting such murders continue?
 
BPSCG said:
As noted above, the entire District of Columbia is a "gun-free zone," a fact that comes as little comfort to the families of the 200 or so people shot to death there every year.
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Apparently the whole of the USA is a 'murder free' zone yet that doesn't stop murder.

Does that mean that murders shouldn't be outlawed?
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Apparently the whole of the USA is a 'murder free' zone yet that doesn't stop murder.

Does that mean that murders shouldn't be outlawed?
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Yet more irrefutable logic from the gun control freaks.

So are gun free zones supposed to be prevent the use of firearms or not? If not, then what the hell is the point?

If shootings are more likely to occur in gun-free zones, then why should "gun free zones" seem like anything else but bullspit?
 
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E.J.Armstrong said:
You have let a bunch of war crazy right wing torturers take control who have contempt for the poor.

Thus, as you won't resist a despotic government that has taken away 'habeus corpus' and other human rights, such as a right to be given a reason for being held captive, what is the point of letting such murders continue?
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We just have a different idea of when insurrection is necessary.

Those war-crazy right-wing torturers who have contempt for the poor and ignore habeas corpus for "terrorist" PO"w"s will be gone 13 months from now. If they decide to hang on by suspending the elections, or start rounding up and imprisoning Democrats, Libertarians, Green Partiers, and Hollywood liberals, then we can get serious.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
BPSCG said:
As noted above, the entire District of Columbia is a "gun-free zone," a fact that comes as little comfort to the families of the 200 or so people shot to death there every year.
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Apparently the whole of the USA is a 'murder free' zone yet that doesn't stop murder.

Does that mean that murders shouldn't be outlawed?
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One of the advantages of the federal system is that it allows individual states to try different social experiments without obligating the rest of the country to follow suit. If the experiment works well for one state, other states may adopt and adapt; if the experiment works badly, other states may reject or modify. If the 25 poorest states outlawed red jelly beans, and six months later, those states were now the 25 wealthiest, the rest of the states would consider passing legislation outlawing red jelly beans; conversely, if the 25 wealthiest states outlawed red jelly beans and six months later, they were now the 25 poorest, they could repeal that legislation and there would have been no damage done to the rest of the country.

Gun control laws are such an experiment. The District of Columbia has spent the last 30-some years testing the hypothesis that outlawing guns will make the District safer. The crime statistics do not support that hypothesis. Why should other cities, having observed the results of the DC experiment, adopt similar gun bans? Why should the whole country adopt similar gun bans, in the absence of conclusive evidence that they would work?
 
Sidestepping the pro/con gun debate and back on the actual shooting itself: I'm so glad that security guard blew this worthless POS away...if only she'd gotten him before any deaths occurred, but beats the hell out of who knows how many more.

And wtf with Colorado? Did all the hippies put LSD in the water or something?
 
Speaking of DC experiments - here's an experiment conducted recently:

D.C. police made more than 400 arrests and violent crime dropped sharply during the latest installment of All Hands on Deck, a program that put about 3,500 officers on the streets last weekend, officials said.

Although many neighborhoods have been dealing with increases in homicides and other crimes, there were no slayings or shootings in the city over the weekend, said Assistant Police Chief Diane Groomes, who oversees patrol operations. There were two serious stabbings, but neither was fatal, she said.
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Put more cops on the street. What a radical concept.
 
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Appropriate analogies and facts matter not when emotion is at stake!!!
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Well, when you are working with people who say this....
Gun bans may not have worked in the past (and I will take your word for this) but this is no reason not to try again in light of recent killing sprees.
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and then this....
Four more gun deaths today. How many more?
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It makes me wonder who the "nuts" actually are. I guess keep feeding them the information. Maybe one day they will read it, comprehend it and edumacate themselves.
I understand US history, but a "natural right" to carry firearms?
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That is correct, a natural civil right which will be confirmed by the SCOTUS within the next year. And if that does happen...well, according to this opinion, "Registration and taxation of a constitutional right is illegal. Minnepolis Star v. Minnesota Commn'r of Rev., 460 U.S. 575 (1983). Our gun future looks bright :)
 
Lonewulf said:
So are gun free zones supposed to be prevent the use of firearms or not? If not, then what the hell is the point?
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Gun-free zones most definitely have a point! Politicians are cognisant of the fact that their popularity is determined by what the voters think they have accomplished. It is therefore important to appear to have accomplished good things. In this respect the "appearance", or illusion, that they have accomplished something good (eg. public safety) is all that is necessary. Like most guns laws, gun-free zones do little or nothing to deter criminals intent on committing violent crime. The smart politicians know this but they also know that most folks "think" that the laws are in fact a deterrent, (despite contrary evidence), so it becomes necessary to perpetuate the illusion. Gun-free zones make the masses "feel" safer. That's the point ...
 
Autolite said:
Gun-free zones most definitely have a point! Politicians are cognisant of the fact that their popularity is determined by what the voters think they have accomplished.
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Hell, I'd like to see them throw that explanation out there.

"I promote gun free zones, because I need votes! Thank you!"
 
I grew up in a house full of guns. My family have been hunters as far back as we can trace our family tree. I fired my first .22 rifle when I was 2. I fired my first shotgun at 5. I learned basic gun maintenance and safety before I could operate a bicycle without training wheels. Out of my siblings and I, we've had a grand total of ZERO accidents with firearms. The key is education, common sense, and safety. None of us have ever gotten angry and pulled a gun in a fight. All of us are excellent shots with easy access to heavy weaponry. The difference between us and those mall-shooting psychos? Parentage. Don't outlaw guns. Outlaw unfit parents having the right to have as many children as they want.
 
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