Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

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DOC said:
"However, one simple explanation of why Noah still lived for so long is that Noah’s genetic make-up was what gave him the potential to live so long. And that perhaps most, if not all, people before the Flood were programmed for much longer lifespans than we are programmed for today.
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OK, I'll bite. The human genome has been elucidated. Please, you or your buddy go here and let us know exactly where this encoding took place. If you get lost, ask god.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp
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And, from the same article I mentioned earlier, the Christian reason for aging and death is this:


"Of course, the ultimate reason for all aging and death is the Curse on all creation recorded in Genesis chapter 3. Adam was told that if he disobeyed God, ‘dying, you shall die’ [lit. Hebrew]. Adam immediately died spiritually, and began to die physically on the very same day, just as we are all dying today.

Modern genetic research shows that we all inherit the inevitability of aging and death. When we look at our encroaching wrinkles in the mirror, it should remind us of the awfulness of sin in the sight of a holy God. And it should cause us immense thankfulness that God has provided a way of escape from His own righteous judgement on sin, through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp
 
DOC, give it a rest. Admit, at least to yourself, that you have no evidence of a god and that the bible is nothing of a technical manual or an historical one.

Let me be plain: if a god did exist that did all the things ascribed to it in the bible and depended on people like you to manifest their existence, I would not think it much of a god. If said god, told you to kill someone, perhaps you would do it? Without even asking the creep why it can't do it's own dirtywork?

Really, that is too sad.
 
DOC said:
And, from the same article I mentioned earlier, the Christian reason for aging and death is this:
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DOC, seriously, reconsider the validity of answersingenesis.org as a source of anything other than propaganda aimed to deceive the gullible and promote the largest indu$try on the planet

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When we look at our encroaching wrinkles in the mirror, it should remind us of the awfulness of sin in the sight of a holy God.
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Are the wrinkles in other species (fauna and flora) a consequence of sin?

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Perhaps early man had done advanced embryonic stem-cell research, allowing them to cure both diseases and aging, thus allowing them to live to be a millennium.
 
DOC said:
There is also another book about the Oxygen therapy partly written by a doctor call "Hyperbolic Oxygen Therapy"
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This may be the best typo since a kid in my city proudly announced that he was "ruinning" his own webpage.
 
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m_huber said:
Perhaps early man had done advanced embryonic stem-cell research, allowing them to cure both diseases and aging, thus allowing them to live to be a millennium.
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Or... perhaps... they were crap at calendars
 
...and now for something completely different:



Just thought you would all like a little rest and light relief.

Have a coffee...relax..

and then you can return to DOC's lessons on how to use logical fallacies to Lie For Jesus. (Don't mention evil ducks)

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DOC said:
And, from the same article I mentioned earlier, the Christian reason for aging and death is this:


"Of course, the ultimate reason for all aging and death is the Curse on all creation recorded in Genesis chapter 3. Adam was told that if he disobeyed God, ‘dying, you shall die’ [lit. Hebrew]. Adam immediately died spiritually, and began to die physically on the very same day, just as we are all dying today.

Modern genetic research shows that we all inherit the inevitability of aging and death. When we look at our encroaching wrinkles in the mirror, it should remind us of the awfulness of sin in the sight of a holy God. And it should cause us immense thankfulness that God has provided a way of escape from His own righteous judgement on sin, through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp
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DOC,

You went from positing
1.) Old testement people lived longer because of increased oxygen in the atmosphere.
to
2.)Old testement people lived longer because of reduced calorie diets.
to
3.) Old testement people lived longer because they were different than us.
to
4.)Old testement people lived longer because they had genes which allowed them to but then(after the flood) we evolved to lose that long life gene.
to
5.) Old testement people lived longer because we are punished with short lives by god.


I debate you on points 1-4 because you are attempting to bridge science and religion and at that exact moment, you must hold all points to the highest standards of truth and accuracy. Under this light, you do not fair so well. Your premises (people used to live 800 years) are completely wrong, your proposed mechanisms are illogical(hyperoxia prolonging life) and your methods of inquiry (ignoring facts presented to you, selectively searching for supporting evidence, trying to justify an already made conclusion) are the antithesis of scientific integrity.

However, with point 5, you are now back into the purely theological realm, leaving science behind. As such, I am completely happy with your explanations. They are part of your religion and help you enjoy your life. That's great. Just don't try to pass them off as science, because they are just not strong enough to withstand the investigation.
 
Explanation #1: High-pressure oxygen in the atmosphere. Problem: there wasn't any. Air pressure has been consistent for the last 6000 years, and the oxygen levels haven't changed significantly in that time.

Explanation #2: Noah had the longevity gene. Problem: The account of the flood describes a bottleneck event, which (if true) would mean that everyone on earth today is descended from Noah's family. Logically, they should have inherited the longevity gene.

Explanation #3: People started to die when the first man (Adam) sinned, but Jesus is the answer. Problem: Noah's purported longevity is after Adam, but before Jesus.

My explanation is that the account of people living 700-900 years are either fabrications, or confuse "months" with "years." No problem.

The Bible was obviously written by men, who had no more knowledge than other men of their time. They didn't know about germs, so the Bible doesn't mention them. They didn't know that stars were distant suns, or that there were moons circling Jupiter, or anything about galaxies. The only radiation they knew about was light. The Bible never changes, and the inevitable result is that, with each new scientific discovery, the "science" of the Bible falls further and further out of date.

It's gratifying to see Christians contorting themselves so comically trying to shoehorn the gospel into the latest scientific theories. It underscores how successful science has been in transforming human culture. Everybody wants a piece of success.
 
bokonon said:
Explanation #2: Noah had the longevity gene. Problem: The account of the flood describes a bottleneck event, which (if true) would mean that everyone on earth today is descended from Noah's family. Logically, they should have inherited the longevity gene.
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What if the 4 wives that were on the ark didn't have the longevity gene.

The people on the ark were Noah, his three sons (Ham, Shem, and Japeth), and their four wives. The Bible does not give the names of the wives.
 
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This info is related to the longevity gene.

From the "Living 900 Years" article by Carl Wieland.

And although an average ‘upper limit’ seems to be ‘programmed’ into each species, breeding experiments have shown that this limit can be altered, even dramatically. Experiments with fruitflies and worms have shown that extra longevity can be bred into and out of these populations. So you can have two populations of the same fly, with one group living many times longer than the other, on average. Even a genetic ‘switch’ involved in longevity has been identified in one species of worm.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp
 
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bokonon said:
Explanation #3: People started to die when the first man (Adam) sinned, but Jesus is the answer. Problem: Noah's purported longevity is after Adam, but before Jesus.
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Jesus promised eternal life.
 
DOC said:
Jesus promised eternal life.
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He also promised to return whilst all those listening were still living.

2000 years and still waiting DOC.
 
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DOC said:
This info is related to the longevity gene.

From the "Living 900 Years" article by Carl Wieland.

And although an average ‘upper limit’ seems to be ‘programmed’ into each species, breeding experiments have shown that this limit can be altered, even dramatically. Experiments with fruitflies and worms have shown that extra longevity can be bred into and out of these populations. So you can have two populations of the same fly, with one group living many times longer than the other, on average. Even a genetic ‘switch’ involved in longevity has been identified in one species of worm.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp
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Oh DOC, you now went back to attempting a science explanation for your religion. This is just not good.
If what you say is true about an age gene, then you have just described the evolutionary mechanism. But according to creationists, evolution isn't real.

BTW, DOC, what do you think the longevity genes do?
 
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