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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Funny , one of the last grizzly bears was shot in Mexico in 1957. The bald eagle was almost hunted to extinction, the native americans were way decimated, and yet there are no Bigfoot bodies around.


Hmmm....
 
My interest continues, in part, because one fine summer day, while watching my son's baseball game, I got a call back from a woman who lives in Upstate New York....and she told me all about her and her daughter's clear, up-close, daytime sighting of a Bigfoot creature, as they drove around a bend in the road. The fact that her husband supported her story 100%, and the fact that she took time out of her day to make a long-distance call to a total stranger to enthusiastically tell me about her sighting left an impression on me that I can't easily dismiss as simply "a screwed-up family".
Her report, and phone call/conversation indicates some degree, or percentage, of probability that the creature does exist. I can't say with a 100% certainty that she, and her family, are lying.....just as I also can't say with a 100% certainty that she's telling the truth.

What do you know of this person? You do know anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence at all...there are plenty of crazy stories about all kinds of things strange and unusual. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof...and an anecdote ain't it.

Now.....how did you determine that I need the creature to exist??

Because you are all too willing to believe anecdotal evidence and blurry film over the vast majority of people educated in the very fields that could obtain, study and classify such a beastie if said beastie walked the Earth.
 
Well, at least my cover has not been blown by burgstahler.

Commence anit-bigfoot propaganda dispersal tactics...
 
That comparison photo from the BBC show is one of the things that got me interested in looking for the true origin of the suit. I worked with JOHN VULICH and the Optic Nerve guys on BUFFY. One day he gave me a video of that program. Seemed pretty straight forward. They took an ape suit off the rack that had no resemblance to "Patty" and used it to talk about how padding fits under suits. The guy from the BBC had someone walk in it while he demonstrated his idea of how close Patterson and Gimlin were and how odd it was that they didn't follow it, etc. His idea was to show what would have taken place using the same camera. No one ever said they were trying to copy the Patty suit - yet that is what keeps cropping up.

Interesting. If this is correct, then it means that someone (either the BBC or the BFRO) is pulling a "Legend Meets Science"-style spin job. John Vulich reusing a preexisting costume certainly would explain why the Optic Nerve suit doesn't look like the subject of the P/G film. I mean, even the hair color is different. How could a serious recreation attempt botch that?
 
Now.....how did you determine that I need the creature to exist??

Because you ignore all evidence that proves otherwise. You will not even answer a very simple question about a couple pictures you posted. I assume that's because those pictures you posted clearly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we are looking at a suit.

Damn, that's gotta be faith-busting for someone who so needs to believe. So instead of dealing with the facts you scour around looking for a picture that does not show a wrist band and post it as proof of no suit!!!

Sweaty, you're behaving like the bigfoot believer's defense attorney; always changing the subject, avoiding questions, arguing about the meanings of words, and moving the goal posts. We're not the idiot jury on the OJ trial, and we can't be tricked with smoke and mirrors.

Either step up and provide evidence or play on an easier league.
 
Because you ignore all evidence that proves otherwise. You will not even answer a very simple question about a couple pictures you posted. I assume that's because those pictures you posted clearly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we are looking at a suit.

Damn, that's gotta be faith-busting for someone who so needs to believe. So instead of dealing with the facts you scour around looking for a picture that does not show a wrist band and post it as proof of no suit!!!

Sweaty, you're behaving like the bigfoot believer's defense attorney; always changing the subject, avoiding questions, arguing about the meanings of words, and moving the goal posts. We're not the idiot jury on the OJ trial, and we can't be tricked with smoke and mirrors.

Either step up and provide evidence or play on an easier league.




Reply: HEY!

This is an easy league. Most posters have NOT READ A SINGLE BIGFOOT BOOK.,

Monstro
 
I like Beckjord's book. It's fascinating how he goes into details that others refuse to talk about. I don't believe much of it, but it's definitely more interesting than any other bigfoot book I have read.

The Janice Coy association should bring even better stuff out of him.
 
NOW --- NAME YOUR FAVORITE BIGFOOT BOOK, AND TELL WHY----

assuming you read any.

Monstro

Here (friend, and those that take (warnings) lessons), I'll give you my angle.
I got chased by the big guy (earthly primate) when I was young, growing up in Seattle. I live in Hawaii, have done lots of exploring and (re)discovering of native plants and animals. I study the geography, ecosystem, and weather patterns before I begin to focus on particular species. I'll apply the same methods when I retire and move home. I will find and photograph every single species of plant, insect, and animal in the environment I choose to focus on.
Until then, I'm just observing the latest in bigfoot talk. Here, and at BFF.
But, as far as bigfoot literature, I've none. I can't really get my hands around Patty, let alone some of this other stuff out there. Current and pertinent information on bigfoot is on these forums. For paranormalfoot, I've seen the original Star Wars, nuff said.
 
Because you ignore all evidence that proves otherwise. You will not even answer a very simple question about a couple pictures you posted. I assume that's because those pictures you posted clearly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we are looking at a suit.


Which question have I refused to answer?

If you're refering to the supposed "wrist bands"....I did respond concerning them. I posted (after scouring around :p ) a higher-quality image of the PG film, which shows absolutely no hint of "wrist bands" on Patty's arms.

If she does have wrist bands, why can't you, or I, find them on the high-quality Cibachrome image of Frame 352? Did they magically disappear???

I happen to think that, given a choice, a higher-quality image is better for determining something about the subject of the film than a lower-quality image.
Would you agree with that basic principle?

Damn, that's gotta be faith-busting for someone who so needs to believe.

How did you determine that I "need to believe" in Bigfoot?
If I do in fact have a "need"....what will happen to me if Bigfoot is never proven to exist?

So instead of dealing with the facts you scour around looking for a picture that does not show a wrist band and post it as proof of no suit!!!

When and where did I state that it proves Patty is a real Bigfoot?


Sweaty, you're behaving like the bigfoot believer's defense attorney; always changing the subject, avoiding questions,

You've confused me with kitakaze.

I described the challenge, (for skeptics to create a video as realistic as the PG film) more specifically....and stated that the subject should be out in the open so that the subject's body proportions could be measured....and kitty promptly changed the subject by asking me what Patty's body proportions were.

Also, kitty refuses to answer a simple "Yes" or "No" type question.....repeatedly. He will not answer it, period. (He does have some really good excuses for his refusal, though.)

arguing about the meanings of words,

I like to refer to it as "debating"...and "discussing". It's what discussion boards are all about.

Are you aware of that, GT?

We're not the idiot jury on the OJ trial,

That's debatable.

and we can't be tricked with smoke and mirrors.

Maybe, maybe not...but you skeptics can't even see Patty's fingers bending...

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So I wouldn't feel too proud, there, chumpsky. ;)

(BTW...there is something in that 2-frame animation which shows beyond all doubt that it's not a doll-hand illusion. I'll demonstrate it someday....for now I'll let the skeptics here scratch their heads over it. You boys will never find it on your own!)

Either step up and provide evidence or play on an easier league.

There is plenty of evidence of Bigfoot's existence available to be analysed and discussed, GT. It's there ANYTIME you want to step-up and analyse it.
What you actually want is proof of Bigfoot's existence.

Apparantly you don't have the smarts to realize the difference between the two concepts.


Hey...maybe you should apply for O.J.'s new jury.....you're so "just right" for the job! No brains required! :D
 
How did you determine that I "need to believe" in Bigfoot?
If I do in fact have a "need"....what will happen to me if Bigfoot is never proven to exist?
That's just it, you don't ever have to prove it exists, because you know, we can never prove it doesn't exist.

I described the challenge, (for skeptics to create a video as realistic as the PG film) more specifically....and stated that the subject should be out in the open so that the subject's body proportions could be measured....and kitty promptly changed the subject by asking me what Patty's body proportions were.
Realistic? Are you applying your opinion of a video to the majority of logical thinking people in the world who agree the video is a FAKE? I think the Jack Links Bigfoot looks more 'real' than the PGF.

Maybe, maybe not...but you skeptics can't even see Patty's fingers bending...
You have not shown them to be bending. When you show conclusively that something depicts finger bending, then perhaps your statement above would be relevent.

(BTW...there is something in that 2-frame animation which shows beyond all doubt that it's not a doll-hand illusion. I'll demonstrate it someday....for now I'll let the skeptics here scratch their heads over it. You boys will never find it on your own!)
When you do that, then your statement from the previous quote becomes relevent. I am scratching my head as to why you would wait to show this profound evidence of finger bending, it seems like an 'in yo face' type of thing, that would be posted as soon as you could deliver it, oh, wait, you can't deliver it yet, that is a classic bigfooter's problem, right up there with, 'we had bigfoot in our camera sight, but researcherX had to leave to <Insert reason for not delivering photo or video here>'.

What you actually want is proof of Bigfoot's existence.
Ding-Ding-Ding we have a winnah! To bad the bigfoot community doesn't demand it.

Apparantly you don't have the smarts to realize the difference between the two concepts.
Are you talking about evidence? or are you talking about Believidence? Do I have to believe that a giant hairy primate left a 14" bare foot print in the mud, in order for it to be evidence? Other wise, it's just evidence of a fake, or a human foot...
 
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You have not shown them to be bending.

I nominate you for the new O.J. jury, Drewbot! You're blind enough! :D

Do I have to believe that a giant hairy primate left a 14" bare foot print in the mud, in order for it to be evidence?


If you understood the meaning of the word "evidence", you wouldn't have to ask such a question.
 
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