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Twoofers Only: The Mark Roberts Factual Error Thread

Gravy said:
Again: William Rodriguez is welcome to contact me to discuss any and all issues he may have with my paper. This has always been the case.

I respectfully ask once again that people not rise to the bait of the obsessively obtuse RedIbis. His questions were answered three months ago, and he was then encouraged to contact William Rodriguez if he required more information. End of story.
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I did. He said you're lying.
 
Since Rodriguez has my email address, and has an account here, I await any corrections he may have, as I have since May.

Sorry to see this idiocy continuing. I won't be checking this thread again.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm a betting man. I'll wager that I can back up my claim. Can you back up yours?
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Sure, I'll back up my earlier statement: it doesn't make a difference whether it was 100 feet or not because it's insignificant to the claim. Say $100 for you to even explain why it would need to be necessary to nitpick on this? Especially since it's been clarified for you at least a dozen times?

Does Willie disagree? Has he tried to contact Mark to correct this supposed error?

I will bet an additional $100 that Willie had never "corrected" Mark on this issue- because I fully believe that if Willie had, Mark would have no problem "fixing" it since:

1) Mark is an honest person.
2) Even if Mark were a dishonest person, it doesn't affect the claim at all.
3) You are a fraud, and your claims do not hold up.
 
Totovader said:
Sure, I'll back up my earlier statement: it doesn't make a difference whether it was 100 feet or not because it's insignificant to the claim. Say $100 for you to even explain why it would need to be necessary to nitpick on this? Especially since it's been clarified for you at least a dozen times?

Does Willie disagree? Has he tried to contact Mark to correct this supposed error?

I will bet an additional $100 that Willie had never "corrected" Mark on this issue- because I fully believe that if Willie had, Mark would have no problem "fixing" it since:

1) Mark is an honest person.
2) Even if Mark were a dishonest person, it doesn't affect the claim at all.
3) You are a fraud, and your claims do not hold up.
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You're backpedaling on your claim that you talked to Rodriguez, I'm not.

Besides, I can't imagine betting money is permitted. I was thinking along the lines of 100 Stundiebucks, make it a thousand. I'm feeling lucky.
 
RedIbis said:
You're backpedaling on your claim that you talked to Rodriguez, I'm not.

Besides, I can't imagine betting money is permitted. I was thinking along the lines of 100 Stundiebucks, make it a thousand. I'm feeling lucky.
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I have no intention of supporting the "claim" that I talked to Rodriguez, because I was being facetious in showing that you had no intention of providing proof of that conversation. Obviously, that's still true.

On the other stuff- I'm serious, though. I see no reason to assume that betting money would be forbidden- I'm not even sure where you're pulling that crap from.

Either put up or shut up- that's all I really care about. It shouldn't even need to be a discussion or a chest-beating exercise. Had you actually talked to Rodriguez, you would have already provided proof of the conversation.

From that point we could see if Rodriguez was just feeding into you or not- but like I said before (and again, as many others have pointed out) it's moot.

More to the point of your accusation, however: I stick by my bet. If Rodriguez was so concerned about this figure, he surely would have contacted Mark to correct it. If Rodriguez had done that, then I will pay you $100. If not, I do expect that money.

This wager would go a long way to your credibility- especially since it was your idea.

Agreed?
 
Totovader said:
I have no intention of supporting the "claim" that I talked to Rodriguez, because I was being facetious in showing that you had no intention of providing proof of that conversation. Obviously, that's still true.

On the other stuff- I'm serious, though. I see no reason to assume that betting money would be forbidden- I'm not even sure where you're pulling that crap from.

Either put up or shut up- that's all I really care about. It shouldn't even need to be a discussion or a chest-beating exercise. Had you actually talked to Rodriguez, you would have already provided proof of the conversation.

From that point we could see if Rodriguez was just feeding into you or not- but like I said before (and again, as many others have pointed out) it's moot.

More to the point of your accusation, however: I stick by my bet. If Rodriguez was so concerned about this figure, he surely would have contacted Mark to correct it. If Rodriguez had done that, then I will pay you $100. If not, I do expect that money.

This wager would go a long way to your credibility- especially since it was your idea.

Agreed?
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One thing you should know about Willie Rodriguez, he's very generous with his time. I explained in the thread I linked to earlier, that I was put in contact with Rodriguez by a mutual friend

Ask Gravy if he thinks this is authentic:

Dear Mr. Redibis, I usually do not respond to people with pseudonyms but I will make an exemption.
About your question: Mark Roberts is a liar. I did speak to him briefly at Ground Zero when I kindly protected him from attacks of people protesting in the area. They wanted me to embarrass the guy in front of everybody having an argument with him there. I did not like that approach and did not go with it. He walked with me up to the front of where the names of the victims used to be (across of Century 21 store).His recollections are totally incorrect about what I told him of smelling Kerosene. I said to him that I DID smell some kind of gas as I went up the floors. Not in the basement like he lies about. I am not doubting if anyone smelled any kind of gas like elements in the area, if that was their experience, but in my case.. he lied.

Also he goes around implying that I am an Anti-Semite and also questioning as you may see in the thread the work I have done for the victims of 9/11 through my organization. Let him contact the people from the same picture he posted,Ex- Governor Pataki or his staff and let's find out what they have to say about it.

Also I have never told him I was 100 feet from the Towers, He lied about that as well."
 
RedIbis said:
One thing you should know about Willie Rodriguez, he's very generous with his time. I explained in the thread I linked to earlier, that I was put in contact with Rodriguez by a mutual friend

Ask Gravy if he thinks this is authentic:

Dear Mr. Redibis, I usually do not respond to people with pseudonyms but I will make an exemption.
About your question: Mark Roberts is a liar. I did speak to him briefly at Ground Zero when I kindly protected him from attacks of people protesting in the area. They wanted me to embarrass the guy in front of everybody having an argument with him there. I did not like that approach and did not go with it. He walked with me up to the front of where the names of the victims used to be (across of Century 21 store).His recollections are totally incorrect about what I told him of smelling Kerosene. I said to him that I DID smell some kind of gas as I went up the floors. Not in the basement like he lies about. I am not doubting if anyone smelled any kind of gas like elements in the area, if that was their experience, but in my case.. he lied.

Also he goes around implying that I am an Anti-Semite and also questioning as you may see in the thread the work I have done for the victims of 9/11 through my organization. Let him contact the people from the same picture he posted,Ex- Governor Pataki or his staff and let's find out what they have to say about it.

Also I have never told him I was 100 feet from the Towers, He lied about that as well."
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I'm not going to bug Gravy on your behalf. He's ignored you for a very good reason- and I will likely be doing the same very soon.

You have provided no proof for your claims- and in fact have backed off from your idea of a wager.

You're quite a few steps from having any substantial position:

1) You would need to prove that this email actually happened (the ENTIRE email, without your likely comments at the end).
2) Then prove that Willie isn't lying (or changing his story- something he's famous for)
3) Then you would need to prove that this 100 feet business is even relevant.
4) Then you would need to provide us with what the CORRECTED figure should be... something the supposed email seems to have left out.

I will give you 18 more hours to either accept or decline my offer. In that time I will also await proof of a conversation. If you are unable to provide proof I will ignore you indefinitely.
 
Totovader said:
I'm not going to bug Gravy on your behalf. He's ignored you for a very good reason- and I will likely be doing the same very soon.

You have provided no proof for your claims- and in fact have backed off from your idea of a wager.

You're quite a few steps from having any substantial position:

1) You would need to prove that this email actually happened (the ENTIRE email, without your likely comments at the end).
2) Then prove that Willie isn't lying (or changing his story- something he's famous for)
3) Then you would need to prove that this 100 feet business is even relevant.
4) Then you would need to provide us with what the CORRECTED figure should be... something the supposed email seems to have left out.

I will give you 18 more hours to either accept or decline my offer. In that time I will also await proof of a conversation. If you are unable to provide proof I will ignore you indefinitely.
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Silliness. How many times are you going to shift the goal posts?

And don't bother waiting, please put me on ignore immediately, then perhaps I'll stop wasting my time with your nonsense. But seriously, run the email by Gravy. Only he and Rodriguez will know if these details are accurate.
 
RedIbis said:
One thing you should know about Willie Rodriguez, he's very generous with his time. I explained in the thread I linked to earlier, that I was put in contact with Rodriguez by a mutual friend

Ask Gravy if he thinks this is authentic:

Dear Mr. Redibis, I usually do not respond to people with pseudonyms but I will make an exemption.
About your question: Mark Roberts is a liar. I did speak to him briefly at Ground Zero when I kindly protected him from attacks of people protesting in the area. They wanted me to embarrass the guy in front of everybody having an argument with him there. I did not like that approach and did not go with it. He walked with me up to the front of where the names of the victims used to be (across of Century 21 store).His recollections are totally incorrect about what I told him of smelling Kerosene. I said to him that I DID smell some kind of gas as I went up the floors. Not in the basement like he lies about. I am not doubting if anyone smelled any kind of gas like elements in the area, if that was their experience, but in my case.. he lied.

Also he goes around implying that I am an Anti-Semite and also questioning as you may see in the thread the work I have done for the victims of 9/11 through my organization. Let him contact the people from the same picture he posted,Ex- Governor Pataki or his staff and let's find out what they have to say about it.

Also I have never told him I was 100 feet from the Towers, He lied about that as well."
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Interesting, you've already posted this nonsense before (albeit a bit modified) and it was responded to.

It seems as though you're wasting my time Red.

Here's your options at this point:

1) Accept or decline the wager.
2) Provide proof of the email (a starting point, I guess)
3) Explain how it makes a difference.
 
Totovader said:
1) You would need to prove that this email actually happened (the ENTIRE email, without your likely comments at the end).
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For the record. I know Rodriguez has posted here and checks the forum. Unlike some people here I don't put words into people's mouths and I don't appreciate your suggesting that I would do that to Mr. Rodriguez.

And you owe me 100 Stundiebucks.
 
Totovader said:
Interesting, you've already posted this nonsense before (albeit a bit modified) and it was responded to.

It seems as though you're wasting my time Red.

Here's your options at this point:

1) Accept or decline the wager.
2) Provide proof of the email (a starting point, I guess)
3) Explain how it makes a difference.
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The "Dear Mr. Red Ibis..." wasn't early enough for you? Or do you want my real name and email address as well as Rodriguez's?

Is that what you're saying? You might want to go back to NWO agent training.
 
RedIbis said:
Silliness. How many times are you going to shift the goal posts?

And don't bother waiting, please put me on ignore immediately, then perhaps I'll stop wasting my time with your nonsense. But seriously, run the email by Gravy. Only he and Rodriguez will know if these details are accurate.
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No goalposts are being moved- you're the one sending people on fools errands.

I read this reply as a refusal to accept the wager. Considering the wager addresses your dishonesty, lack of credibility, inconsistency within your claims, and failure to even make a relevant argument- it's understandable.

It's no surprise that when individuals ask you to support your claims, you clam up- and when you're asked to put your money where your mouth is (or rather do as you asked) you come up with excuses.

Now everyone should feel confident knowing you're full of crap. I just had to see it for myself, I guess.

Kudos on that.
 
Totovader said:
No goalposts are being moved- you're the one sending people on fools errands.

I read this reply as a refusal to accept the wager. Considering the wager addresses your dishonesty, lack of credibility, inconsistency within your claims, and failure to even make a relevant argument- it's understandable.

It's no surprise that when individuals ask you to support your claims, you clam up- and when you're asked to put your money where your mouth is (or rather do as you asked) you come up with excuses.

Now everyone should feel confident knowing you're full of crap. I just had to see it for myself, I guess.

Kudos on that.
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You're getting desperate kid. You lied when you said you had talked to Rodriguez. I didn't and produced the email that proves it. You could just admit this time you were wrong or you can keep on whining. Your choice.
 
RedIbis said:
For the record. I know Rodriguez has posted here and checks the forum. Unlike some people here I don't put words into people's mouths and I don't appreciate your suggesting that I would do that to Mr. Rodriguez.

And you owe me 100 Stundiebucks.
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This claim only hurts you and Willie.

If Willie really cared this much, he would have just gone straight to Mark instead of going through you.

So- I don't buy it. And I really don't give a crap as to what you appreciate and what you do not. You have wasted my time.

And "Dear" is not proof of an email- it's proof of the word "Dear" being typed- that is all.
 
Totovader said:
No goalposts are being moved- you're the one sending people on fools errands.

I read this reply as a refusal to accept the wager. Considering the wager addresses your dishonesty, lack of credibility, inconsistency within your claims, and failure to even make a relevant argument- it's understandable.

It's no surprise that when individuals ask you to support your claims, you clam up- and when you're asked to put your money where your mouth is (or rather do as you asked) you come up with excuses.

Now everyone should feel confident knowing you're full of crap. I just had to see it for myself, I guess.

Kudos on that.
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Totovader, can you please tell me about the concrete shaft?
 
RedIbis said:
You're getting desperate kid. You lied when you said you had talked to Rodriguez. I didn't and produced the email that proves it. You could just admit this time you were wrong or you can keep on whining. Your choice.
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You attempted to make a wager you then backed out of. I'm not sure why you think that's desperation on my part.

I never lied- I told you I was being facetious when I said I talked to Willie.

You produced no evidence, you posted comments which have not been verified, and have already been posted and addressed before.

You also failed to address the key issues here- ie my post.

I have no reason to admit I'm wrong- see my previous post on this, including me putting forth my own money to prove you're a fraud.
 
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