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Time to kick Iran

Oliver said:
Iran is no threat. The Israel-supporter think otherwise and I fully
understand that since their self-made paranoia is more real than
the American one who think Iran is one big Terror-Machine.

I hope Bush and Friends will dare to attack the facility - just to
see if the CIA's blowback theory is as logical as it sounds.

Let's stop Iran now - or the end of the world is near! :D
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Where are now, after the report on Iran went out, all the guys who attacked Oliver for this?
 
Matteo Martini said:
Where are now, after the report on Iran went out, all the guys who attacked Oliver for this?
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Huh? The IAEA report which stated Iran was not cooperating, or the NIE which stated Iran was still a threat even if it had halted (not eliminated) its weapons program?
 
Matteo Martini said:
Where are now, after the report on Iran went out, all the guys who attacked Oliver for this?
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Matteo, the NIE clearly points out that the timeline for expected home grown nuclear weapons capability is in the next decade, not "never." So, while this report dampens and sense of immediacy "next year" sort of threat assessment, it does not state that the potential, and thus the threat, is absent.

I think the release of this NIE to public media outlets might have been a ploy that allows the Bush administration to back off a bit from the more belligerent rhetoric of the past few years, while still working with the various partners and multinational bodies to get Iran to quit playing coy about their program.

As I have said before, nuclear power plants in Iran is a good idea.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
Matteo, the NIE clearly points out that the timeline for expected home grown nuclear weapons capability is in the next decade, not "never." So, while this report dampens and sense of immediacy "next year" sort of threat assessment, it does not state that the potential, and thus the threat, is absent.

I think the release of this NIE to public media outlets might have been a ploy that allows the Bush administration to back off a bit from the more belligerent rhetoric of the past few years, while still working with the various partners and multinational bodies to get Iran to quit playing coy about their program.

As I have said before, nuclear power plants in Iran is a good idea.

DR
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I didn't see any evidence that Iran ever had a nuclear weaponry
program. Maybe the NIE is just telling the half true to make it sound
less painful for POTUS/VPOTUS and the American people...


And then there is the fact that Iran isn't a whining war-mongerer-
state that wants to invade others whenever someone disagrees... :)
 
Oliver said:
I didn't see any evidence that Iran ever had a nuclear weaponry
program. Maybe the NIE is just telling the half true to make it sound
less painful for POTUS/VPOTUS and the American people...(1,2)


And then there is the fact that Iran isn't a whining war-mongerer-
state that wants to invade others whenever someone disagrees... :)(3,4)
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1] Appeal to Ignorance
2] Poisoining the well
3] Poisoining the Well


4 is simply a bald faced assertion.
 
Guys, I blame the CIA for the resurrection of this thread.

This is a conspiracy involving at the very least the CIA, Ron Paul and Oliver. Yes Oliver, you should have known we would blow the whistle on your evil scheme against assisted suicide for the poor, suffering and practically stillborn threads you deliberately begat in the Politics Subforum, even though you knew in advance of the pain they'd have to suffer due to the horrible mutation that would arise as a result of this particularly nasty example of extramarital intercourse.

What Ron Paul has to do with all this? Do I really need to remind you of Oliver's Avatar, sheeple? Obviously he is the mastermind behind this evil plot. Because in reality, Ron Paul isn't the Libertarian he poses at. No! He's an evil member of the Religious Reich, intent on destroying all our freedoms. And of course, as I have pointed out already at the beginning but you weak-minded sheeple will need the assistance: It's a devilish scheme to outlaw abortion in order to increase the suffering of half-dead Thread/Oliver-fetus. This evilness is only topped by the accompanying campaign to outlaw assisted suicide, so Oliver can enjoy his perverted desire to watch them suffering a while longer.

FETUS JOB!
 
Oliver said:
I didn't see any evidence that Iran ever had a nuclear weaponry
program. Maybe the NIE is just telling the half true to make it sound
less painful for POTUS/VPOTUS and the American people...


And then there is the fact that Iran isn't a whining war-mongerer-
state that wants to invade others whenever someone disagrees... :)
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Funny, the NIE pointed out that the program was halted in 2003, which suggests a program was in place. This much has been pointed out to you before, the presence of a program, of whatever maturity, yet you insist on the ostrich response.

Suit yourself.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
Matteo, the NIE clearly points out that the timeline for expected home grown nuclear weapons capability is in the next decade, not "never." So, while this report dampens and sense of immediacy "next year" sort of threat assessment, it does not state that the potential, and thus the threat, is absent.
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Agreed on that.
But Cheney is a liar

Darth Rotor said:
As I have said before, nuclear power plants in Iran is a good idea.

DR
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Agreed with that too ( some shivers down the spine, however.. )
 
Darth Rotor said:
Funny, the NIE pointed out that the program was halted in 2003, which suggests a program was in place. This much has been pointed out to you before, the presence of a program, of whatever maturity, yet you insist on the ostrich response.

Suit yourself.

DR
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But Cheney said that Iran was working on nukes, and he did not say that in 2003, but in 2007
 
Why all you guys are so angry with Oliver, who was pretty the only one who said it right from the beginning ( that is, Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons )?
 
Darth Rotor said:
Funny, the NIE pointed out that the program was halted in 2003, which suggests a program was in place. This much has been pointed out to you before, the presence of a program, of whatever maturity, yet you insist on the ostrich response.

Suit yourself.

DR
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I agree that the NIE says "halted". But I miss the evidence that
there ever was an effort to get nukes. Just because the NIE
says "halted", doesn't mean that there ever was such a program.

But maybe I'm just more skeptical than you? :confused:
 
Matteo Martini said:
But Cheney said that Iran was working on nukes, and he did not say that in 2003, but in 2007
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I think your earlier comment on VP Cheney's distance from credibility covered that, didn't it? He either knows something we don't, or he was guessing, or he was making stuff up (aka lying) for another purpose.

In any case, the estimate of the threat remains in the medium to long term, and that depends a great deal on the actual intentions of the leadership in Iran, as well as the ability of the international community -- however diverse its varied interests -- to convince Iran to be more transparent, and to thus comply with NPT, and press on with peaceful use of nuclear power.

I think it can be done, if the leadership in Iran feels it is in Iran's interests to do so.

DR
 
All this pressure from the US, yet we are the only country that has actually every used a nuclear weapon. Has that been discussed yet? It is easy to see why some foreigners hate America. Perhaps it is because of our double standard. One of the reasons Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was because we had sanctions against them :eek: Anybody care to repeat history?

I agree that the NIE says "halted". But I miss the evidence that
there ever was an effort to get nukes. Just because the NIE
says "halted", doesn't mean that there ever was such a program.
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I disagree, you have to be participating in a program before it can be halted. Is this semantics on NIE's usage of the word halted?
 
Darth Rotor said:
I think your earlier comment on VP Cheney's distance from credibility covered that, didn't it?
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I do not get it.
Do we agree that Cheney lied?

Darth Rotor said:
He either knows something we don't, or he was guessing, or he was making stuff up (aka lying) for another purpose.

In any case, the estimate of the threat remains in the medium to long term, and that depends a great deal on the actual intentions of the leadership in Iran, as well as the ability of the international community -- however diverse its varied interests -- to convince Iran to be more transparent, and to thus comply with NPT, and press on with peaceful use of nuclear power.

I think it can be done, if the leadership in Iran feels it is in Iran's interests to do so.

DR
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Agreed on that
 
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