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Another Mall Shooting

lionking

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lionking
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Another Mall shooting in the US. When are you guys going to ban hand guns, semi-automatics and other firearms designed to shoot people?
 
We aren't. While the deaths in Nebraska are tragic, it would be more tragic if Americans relinquished their best hope for resisting a despotic government, should it ever become necessary.
 
We aren't. While the deaths in Nebraska are tragic, it would be more tragic if Americans relinquished their best hope for resisting a despotic government, should it ever become necessary.
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I think there are some persuasive arguments for not banning guns, but this isn't one of them. Do you honestly think that a load of handguns and a some semi-automatics are going to allow you to take down the government? Apart from this, do you favour the legalisation of other weapons that would enable the american populace to take on the government better? Should people be allowed to stock up on explosives? Mines? Should they be allowed to own tanks and helicopter gunships?
 
bokonon said:
We aren't. While the deaths in Nebraska are tragic, it would be more tragic if Americans relinquished their best hope for resisting a despotic government, should it ever become necessary.
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You are joking aren't you?
 
When are you guys going to ban hand guns, semi-automatics and other firearms designed to shoot people?
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That would be awesome. I'd love it if only the insane and criminals had guns.

Here's what I think. We need more citizens walking around ARMED and TRAINED so when something like this occurs the dumbass can be taken out before killing such a large number of people.

If a professor had had a gun at Virginia Tech, less people might have been killed.
If some shopping soccer mom owned a 38 auto and knew how to use it and happened to be nearby the 19 year old loser, she might have ended the tragedy sooner.


Guns aren't going anywhere, and banning them only takes them away from law-abiding citizens.
 
That's an analysis of the situation? For what's it worth I worked for Victoria Police and the best solution for violence is for "law abiding" citizens to walk the streets without weapons or fear IMHO.
 
lionking said:
That's an analysis of the situation? For what's it worth I worked for Victoria Police and the best solution for violence is for "law abiding" citizens to walk the streets without weapons or fear IMHO.
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Oddly, we do that here also.

And I'm sure that the US having 15 times the population of Australia has nothing at all to do with having more crazy people. :rolleyes:
 
For what's it worth I worked for Victoria Police and the best solution for violence is for "law abiding" citizens to walk the streets without weapons or fear IMHO.
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Without any weapons?

What about a woman who has pepper spray? Should she give not have it?
What about someone who has taken martial arts classes. Should they not be allowed to use it to defend themselves from an attacker?

Walking around unarmed is a sure way to die if someone else wants you dead and has a knife or gun, and is willing to use it.

What about the thousands of crimes which are prevented/mitigated each year because a law-abiding individual was armed.
 
Doesn't Australia have some of the highest rates of rape in the western world? Isn't it time that Australians "disarmed" potential rapists pre-emptively? It's for the good of the country!
 
Increase the amount of accidental gun deaths by an order of magnitude for the mere possibility of stopping some shooting sprees half way through that kill only about a dozen each? There are often over 28,000 gun related deaths a year in the US.

The idea of successfully fighting a tyrannical US government with guns has as much chance of being valid as a cargo cult in the south Pacific. Citizens should either be able to arm to the teeth with modern military armaments or the idea should be left in past centuries along with wooden teeth and straight men wearing fabulous wigs.

cloudshipsrule said:
That would be awesome. I'd love it if only the insane and criminals had guns.

Here's what I think. We need more citizens walking around ARMED and TRAINED so when something like this occurs the dumbass can be taken out before killing such a large number of people.

If a professor had had a gun at Virginia Tech, less people might have been killed.
If some shopping soccer mom owned a 38 auto and knew how to use it and happened to be nearby the 19 year old loser, she might have ended the tragedy sooner.


Guns aren't going anywhere, and banning them only takes them away from law-abiding citizens.
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WildCat said:
Doesn't Australia have some of the highest rates of rape in the western world? Isn't it time that Australians "disarmed" potential rapists pre-emptively? It's for the good of the country!
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What a stupid comment. But, yes, Australia has the worlds highest rate of rapes per capita.

However, more pertinent to the topic at hand, we also have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. Couldn't have anything to do with our gun laws could it?
 
Damien Evans said:
What a stupid comment. But, yes, Australia has the worlds highest rate of rapes per capita.
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The disarm I say! :D

However, more pertinent to the topic at hand, we also have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. Couldn't have anything to do with our gun laws could it?
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Maybe, maybe not. What is the non-firearm homicide rate compared to the US? Is it possible that the US rate has more to do with the proliferation of drug gangs than firearm laws?
 
Increase the amount of accidental gun deaths by an order of magnitude for the mere possibility of stopping some shooting sprees half way through that kill only about a dozen each? There are often over 28,000 gun related deaths a year in the US.
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Then I say gun education needs to be a part of the public education curriculum, no?
Do you have any idea how many guns are in the US? And you think banning them would actually get rid of them?

Cocaine is banned, I can walk down the street and get it. It's everywhere.
Pot is banned in most states, think I can get it if I want it? Um, that would be a yes.
Cuban Cigars are banned. I know individuals who smoke em' every weekend.
There are still dry counties in the US. Think anyone living there has alcohol?
Think everyone obeys the speed limits? I mean, it's the law, right?

You ban guns, and competent law-abiding citizens are the ONLY ones who suffer. Criminals will STILL get weapons. Anyone who doesn't care about the law WILL STILL have access to guns if they want them, and they will want them, and they will get them.

Latent, where do you get your numbers? Are you sure they are accurate?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113094,00.html
 
WildCat said:
The disarm I say! :D


Maybe, maybe not. What is the non-firearm homicide rate compared to the US? Is it possible that the US rate has more to do with the proliferation of drug gangs than firearm laws?
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I have no idea, I'm not a criminal profiler.
 
cloudshipsrule said:
Then I say gun education needs to be a part of the public education curriculum, no?
Do you have any idea how many guns are in the US? And you think banning them would actually get rid of them?
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And of course the laws in the "gun-free UK" didn't seem to stop the IRA etc from amassing quite an arsenal of military-grade weaponry. And if you can't keep them out of a tiny country like NI, good luck with keeping them out of a country where they already proliferate by a hundred million.
 
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