Republican Debate on CNN from Florida

[Phrost]

You mean the one where senators weren't elected and the States were free to take away as many rights as they pleased?

What? How is that remotely anything like what I said.

If you're not going to argue with some sincere integrity, please don't bother arguing with me.

 

[Oliver]

Huckabee supports the "FairTax," which is a scheme to replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax. The plan has some support among some "smaller government"-type Republicans and Libertarians. Paul, for some reason, has yet to hop on the "FairTax" bandwagon.

So the difference here is that Huckabee has an alternative to the IRS, and Paul does not. In other words...Huckabee has a platform and plan, and Paul is just throwing out slogans.

Dislaimer: I am not endorsing the "FairTax." I personally am very skeptical that it's workable.

From what I learned so far about this Issue, Paul believes that the
Government is able to work very well without it - as long they don't
waste money. And Paul points out many occasions on which the
Government literally trashes your tax-money.

So if you like to the support the military industrial complex Troops
by sending them into lied wars, then don't even consider any tax-cuts.

However: Paul never voted for Taxes. That's a fact to me unless you
can point out some contradicting facts about him.

And nevertheless. Paul made a clear statement and I trust him based
on his records regarding taxes. The "Fair-Tax" - on the other hand, is
just a compromise between both opinions...

 

[Kerberos]

Huckabee supports the "FairTax," which is a scheme to replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax. The plan has some support among some "smaller government"-type Republicans and Libertarians. Paul, for some reason, has yet to hop on the "FairTax" bandwagon.

So the difference here is that Huckabee has an alternative to the IRS, and Paul does not. In other words...Huckabee has a platform and plan, and Paul is just throwing out slogans.

Dislaimer: I am not endorsing the "FairTax." I personally am very skeptical that it's workable.

Arent sales taxes regresive BTW?

 

[Cleon]

From what I learned so far about this Issue, Paul believes that the
Government is able to work very well without it - as long they don't
waste money.

No, not quite. Paul wants to slash everything the Government spends money on. He wants to eliminate all social programs, education, federally funded research, the FDA, and so forth. This is neither desirable nor practical.

But again, you make my point. Huckabee has a plan--it's a silly plan, in my opinion, but a plan nonetheless. Paul does not. He has slogans, and a vague, idealistic vision of how he thinks the country "ought to be."

So if you like to the support the military industrial complex Troops
by sending them into lied wars, then don't even consider any tax-cuts.

This is called a "non-sequitir." It simply doesn't follow. Being against tax cuts, or being for them, has nothing to do with whether one supports the war or not.

Clue: All of the major Democratic candidates, with the possible exception of Clinton, are against the war. None of them are trumpeting the "abolish the IRS" idea.

However: Paul never voted for Taxes. That's a fact to me unless you
can point out some contradicting facts about him.

It's not relevant.

 

[quixotecoyote]

Arent sales taxes regresive BTW?

Normally yes, but apparently the fairtax plan involves a Cost of Living Rebate for food/clothing/necessities so you only end up paying sales tax on non-essentials. Kind of like a luxury tax.

At least that's the concept.

 

[Cleon]

Arent sales taxes regresive BTW?

My knowledge of such things is limited (economics gives me a headache), but yes, I believe so.

Part of the "FairTax" designed to compensate for this is that every month an individual or family would get a "prebate" from the government. The specifics are here.

 

[corplinx]

Huckabee is so likeable. Shame he is a fundie.

Mike Huckabee comes across as decent and sincere. When he supports the wrong thing, he does so far all the right reasons.

Bill Hicks once made a joke about having a guy who believes the world is about to end having their finger on the bomb, but then again Bill Hicks was a JFK assassination nut.

I'm sure many people are torn by Mike Huckabee. He's the Obama of the right. He seems honest and sincere though sometimes misguided.

 

[corplinx]

Normally yes, but apparently the fairtax plan involves a Cost of Living Rebate for food/clothing/necessities so you only end up paying sales tax on non-essentials. Kind of like a luxury tax.

At least that's the concept.

Even then, the regressive nature of the sales tax is a boogeyman with no fangs. Poor buy generic food, middle class buy normal, and rich people pay other people to go buy food from the Fresh Market for them.

Poor people buy powdered milk, middle class buy what ever is cheapest, rich people buy the cow and have it pumped full of chocolate syrup to see if that idea they had when they were a kid works or not. (does anyone buy name brand milk over store brand anymore?)

I think national sales tax exemptions are just shields against the inevitable REGRESSIVE TAX OH NOES ad campaigns that opponents will use to try to shoot the proposals down by scaring the uninformed.

There are of course items like baby formula where the regressive hit can be felt. A year worth of formula is about 2800 dollars.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

What? How is that remotely anything like what I said.

If you're not going to argue with some sincere integrity, please don't bother arguing with me.

That was how things worked under the founders' plan. It kinda sucks compared to today's democracy.

 

[billydkid]

Listen buddy, I'm still bemused as to why you guys have to always stick to what the founding fathers wanted. They also wanted the arguably moronic second ammendment, doesn't make it right today.

What's wrong with a government that has state education for example?

"state education" - has kind of a creepy ring to it doesn't it? Oh, I see, we will only ever good guys running the government so we don't have to worry about education being controlled by the state. History has proved that over and over again. What was I thinking?

 

[Cleon]

"state education" - has kind of a creepy ring to it doesn't it?

Oh, well, that's a perfectly good reason to be against state education. Because it has "kind of a creepy ring to it."

Oh, I see, we will only ever good guys running the government so we don't have to worry about education being controlled by the state. History has proved that over and over again. What was I thinking?

History has shown that to be a healthy, prosperous nation, state-mandated education is a necessity.

Don't believe me? Fine. Prove me wrong. Show me one healthy, prosperous nation without it.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Why are you so violently against Private Gun Ownership,guy?

Because it's damn ugly. Humans are terribly designed, and I simply cant see why they should be arrogant enough to presume they can handle a weapon of mass destruction.
Doesn't mean somebody who knows how to do it like Darth shouldn't though, but even he can't confirm he wont go senile or read Catcher And The Rye.

P.S, It's a fair point about the EU and influence over national education. I'm not a fan of them too much.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Mike Huckabee comes across as decent and sincere.

I like his opinions on the treatment of the children of immigrants (Or something like that, I remember it was surprisingly liberal) and his show off with Romney on it. He even managed to make 'working since 14' come off well.

I'm sure many people are torn by Mike Huckabee. He's the Obama of the right. He seems honest and sincere though sometimes misguided.

VP material? Rudy isn't much of a religous guy.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I really like Huckabee.

I disagree with him on nearly all the major issues. But he seems really nice. It's like you could have an honest conversation with him.

I'm not a sucker, though, and I would never vote for him.

 

[UserGoogol]

"state education" - has kind of a creepy ring to it doesn't it? Oh, I see, we will only ever good guys running the government so we don't have to worry about education being controlled by the state. History has proved that over and over again. What was I thinking?

You know what also has a creepy ring to it? Random people being able to squeeze life out of their crotches whenever they are able to pull together the necessary ingredients and then be free to spend the first twenty years of that person's life molding them into whatever perverse monstrosity they may have in mind.

State education is creepy because all education (all child-rearing in general) is creepy.

 

[MaGZ]

My highlights summary:

Romney was successful at deflecting Giuliani's attack on hiring illegal immigrants.

McCain liked to kick Ron Paul, who got mixed cheers and boos, for being anti-war and isolationist.

McCain's "veto pen" wasn't a very successful prop.

Giuliani's ad had good jokes about him reducing snow levels in NY.Thompson's ad was really mean, attacked Romney and Huckabee. Most everyone made fun of Hillary.

Huckabee got a lot of questions and preformed favorably. He successfully rebutted immigration scholarship claims.

Ron Paul said he was a Republican all the way.

Thompson was really slow and really really old and tired looking, McCain seemed less energetic as well.

Tancredo was still a ***.

Hunter likes guns, that's all I learned about him.

Best moment:

Gay soldier kicks all their asses, in video and in person. **** yeah.

I declare him the winner of the debate.

I declare CNN the looser of the debate because it was learned you gay soldier was a Democrat plant.

 

[MaGZ]

It's a shame though that the "North American Union" and "NAFTA superhighway" are complete and utter myths.

It goes to show it's really not that hard to get folks to believe in stuff that's totally not true. Just distort a couple of basic facts, leave out a few others, repeat a few key buzzwords, and you're good to go.

If so, then please direct me to the links that show how these urban myths were created.

 

[MaGZ]

Huckabee is so likeable. Shame he is a fundie.

I was suprised by being slightly impressed by Ron Paul on a few moments of the debate, but on abortion the man returned to a blittering nutcase and completely chickened out.

Rudy had the guts to say he would not overturn Rowe Vs Wade. And given his performance, I'm hoping he gets in on 08' (Obama as his running mate would be a dream).

How was Ron Paul a nutcase on abortion? You do know he is an obstetrician,don’t you? What surprised me is his statement coming from a man who has deliverer 4,000 babies that he never seen a pregnancy that threaten the life of the mother. I would think Ron Paul would have the most authentic view on abortion when compared to the other candidates.

This just in on MSNBC "Hardball":
Ron Paul has twice as many yard signs on the lawns in New Hampshire as all other candidates signs combined.

 

[Dr Adequate]

"state education" - has kind of a creepy ring to it doesn't it?

Austin Powers: Only two things scare me, and one of them is nuclear war.
Basil Exposition: What's the other?
Austin Powers: Excuse me?
Basil Exposition: What's the other thing that scares you?
Austin Powers: Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

 

[Tricky]

I declare CNN the looser of the debate because it was learned you gay soldier was a Democrat plant.

Democrats have the right to ask questions of Republicans too. And what's your source on that?

And the word is "loser". "Looser" is an adjective.