Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

[joobz]

Your reading something in the verse that's not there. Nowhere does it say that God only cares about children who believe in Him. He only states he will punish very severely those who cause those (who believe in Him) to sin. That in no way means He will not punish those who abuse those who do not believe in Him or even those who have never even heard of Christ.

DOC, you are completely wrong. The passage you used to claim god wouldn't harm children shows that he is only worried about children who believe in him. The bible is quite clear that children of sinners and non-believers are rather unimportant and can be killed at any time his wrath says so.

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

If a child never heard of Christ how can he sin against Christ or God.

Ignorance of a sin is no less a sin. Unless, of course, you believe that god will not punish child molesters, rapists, murders in tribes who never heard of christ. But that would be weird wouldn't it? Why would god hold people to different standards?

 

[joobz]

At least it is a source, unlike everyone else talking about Noah's ark and the ancient atmosphere without sources,

You're kidding me, right?
You are asking us what the weather was before an imaginary event? Let's start with this. When did the flood happen, then we'll tell you what the weather was prior to that time. I'm just wondering, are we dealing with a real time line or the "earth is only 6000 years old" timeline?

 

[Cleon]

At least it is a source,

No, DOC. There is no "at least." When your "source" is a lying fraud, it is worse than no source at all.

 

[joobz]

No, DOC. There is no "at least." When your "source" is a lying fraud, it is worse than no source at all.

Well, perhaps he thinks quoting a lying fraud isn't as bad as being a lying fraud?
I think the point that Perhaps DOC isn't considering is that quoting a lying fraud, and knowing that source is a lying fraud, makes that person also a lying fruad.


Consider it the transitive liar property.

 

[DOC]

The passage you used to claim god wouldn't harm children shows that he is only worried about children who believe in him. The bible is quite clear that children of sinners and non-believers are rather unimportant and can be killed at any time his wrath says so.

If the children of sinners and non-believers are unimportant to God why did Jesus Christ come in the world to save the lost. And why do missionaries risk their lives to save the lost and their children.

And the passage you brought in refers to the children of the King of Babylon (aka Lucifer - see Isaiah 14:12)

You did not use a King James Version when you brought in (Isaiah 14:21 NAB).

The King James Bible says:

21Prepare slaughter for "his" {aka Lucifer, aka the king of Babylon} children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

One could make the argument that this prophesy also came true with the death of Saddam Hussein (a later king/ruler of Babylon/Iraq) and his sons so they would not rise and create more havoc in the world. Most everyone, especially someone of the Jewish persuasion, should be very happy God felt this way about the sons of the king of Babylon (aka Lucifer in that verse).

And he only talks about having them killed in this life. He says nothing about their punishment in the after life. It makes sense for God to want to cut off evil (for example Sadaams sons). How God deals with their souls in the after life we don't know, but a Just God will act justly.

 

[Hokulele]

If the children of sinners and non-believers are unimportant to God why did Jesus Christ come in the world to save the lost. And why do missionaries risk their lives to save the lost and their children.

But if innocent children would go to heaven anyway, having a missionary teach them about sin would doom them to hell. It sounds to me like missionaries are the cruelest people alive.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

At least it is a source, unlike everyone else talking about Noah's ark and the ancient atmosphere without sources,

We know a lot about the ancient atmosphere (at least that which existed between 6000 and 4000 BCE when the supposed "pre-flood" world existed) due to ice cores and lake varves.

What evidence do you have other than non-Scriptural BS ad hockery from Creationist websites?

 

[DOC]

No, DOC. There is no "at least." When your "source" is a lying fraud, it is worse than no source at all.

Everyone has a right to their opinion/belief. You have your opinion/belief, and 2 billion Christians have their opinon/beliefs.

 

[Cleon]

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

But not a right to their own facts.

 

[H3LL]

Everyone has a right to their opinion/belief. You have your opinion/belief, and 2 billion Christians have their opinon/beliefs.

An opinion is like an anus...Everyone has them.

Having an opinion does not make it right.

I can have the opinion/belief that the Moon is made of cheese and is populated by Gravity Pixies.

It doesn't make it correct.

Evidence is what matters.

You have no more evidence than I have for cheesy Gravity Pixies.

BTW...Is there any logical fallacy that you haven't committed to a post?

Are you making your way through them one-by-one to add to the tedium?

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[Slimething]

If the children of sinners and non-believers are unimportant to God why did Jesus Christ come in the world to save the lost.

Provide (factual) evidence that of the existence of either sky fairy and win a doll. Step right up. You, sir, with the halo. Yes, please.

And why do missionaries risk their lives to save the lost and their children.

1. Dunno as those people probably know exactly where they are and therefore, not lost.
2. Because they think people like you know what they're talking about?

 

[joobz]

If the children of sinners and non-believers are unimportant to God why did Jesus Christ come in the world to save the lost.

Why did he only come to the middle east? Seems like he would have covered more ground and got his message out better if he sent multiple sons across the world. Or perhaps just explained it to everyone. He's god. He could do it in much more effective ways.

And why do missionaries risk their lives to save the lost and their children.

Because they are genuinely good people who are convinced that the god they worship will torment everyone to hell who isn't aware of how loving he is.

And the passage you brought in refers to the children of the King of Babylon (aka Lucifer - see Isaiah 14:12)

Who are the sons of Lucifer, may I ask? Seems like a general Blanket statement you could place on any "non christian" to make the killing ok. It's very much like the United States being labeled the great satan.

Also, you forgot about the other 3 quotes I gave. One of which is clearly the reference to Moses and Pharaoh, with the first born sons of egypt being killed. Doesn't that strike you as EXTREMELY EVIL? Why would god punish children who had NOTHING AT ALL to do with the slavery of Jews? Why not just kill Pharaoh? Sorry, but the Bible doesn't provide ANY evidence that god cares about children who do not believe in him.

And he only talks about having them killed in this life. He says nothing about their punishment in the after life. It makes sense for God to want to cut off evil (for example Sadaams sons). How God deals with their souls in the after life we don't know, but a Just God will act justly.

This is probably one of the most horrific things you have ever said. I am quite amazed at how you can utter this without realizing the evil that is contained in it. I seriously now hope you are a troll and not someone who actually believes that the "killing in this life" of children who are by definition innocent is an acceptable act. Had you been born in another country, I'm certain you would be telling us all about the 72 virgins promised you as well.

 

[Kochanski]

Everyone has a right to their opinion/belief. You have your opinion/belief, and 2 billion Christians have their opinon/beliefs.

Opinion and belief are not evidence of anything beyond opinion and belief, Doc. So, they do not matter. They have nothing to do with science. Period.

You can believe anything you wish, but it don't make it true.

If you want to know what science says about the things in the bible you need to go beyond the silly Creationist sites. You see real science doesn't ignore the things that are contradictory. Real science doesn't ignore things that mess with established thought. Real science is concerned with EVIDENCE not belief.

 

[six7s]

Bollocks 1

(aka 6 degrees of separation)
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¹ The book of the generation of Citations, the source of Evidence, the source of DOC.


² http://www.google.com begat http://www.answersingenesis.org; and http://www.answersingenesis.org begat http://www.asknoah.org; and http://www.asknoah.org begat http://www.conservapedia.com and its members;


³ And http://www.conservapedia.com begat http://www.discovery.org and Behe of Wooville; and http://www.discovery.org begat http://www.creationists.org; and http://www.creationists.org begat http://www.religioustolerance.org;


⁴ And http://www.religioustolerance.org begat http://www.creationapologetics.org; and http://www.creationapologetics.org begat http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org; and http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org begat http://www.biblegateway.com;


⁵ And http://www.biblegateway.com begat Dr. Carl Baugh of Pacific International University ; and Dr. Carl Baugh begat Shearer and Associates ; and Shearer and Associates begat http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/k13.htm;


⁶ And http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/k13.htm begat DOC Himself ; and DOC Himself begat http://voicefortheunborn.com/bible_5.html and my head exploded;

Amen.

 

[Hokulele]

Bravo six7s!

Although it does scare me just a bit thinking about how much work you put into that.

 

[six7s]

A context-menu with 'Copy Link Address' and a text editor with 'Find and Replace' are our friends

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Everyone has a right to their opinion/belief. You have your opinion/belief, and 2 billion Christians have their opinon/beliefs.

As a number of you have pointed out already this is one of the wonderful paradoxes of YECism. While fundys lay claim to possess absolute TRVTH in on breath, in the next they claim that reality itself is an illusion up to the "interpretation" of the individual. It's not quite post-modernism per se, but it's awfully close.

"Jesus is the way, the truth and the light."
"But are those mountains 4000 years old or 400,000,000 years old?"
"You interpret them to be 4 gazillion years old, I interpret them to be 4,000 years old.

 

[Taffer]

Dr. Carl Baugh said it on his TV show. On this site he describes the preflood atmosphere.

"On day number four, when the sun was created, the energy of the sun upon this hydrogen would have caused a gentle pink coloration in the sky; at sunrise and sunset there would have been a vivid pink coloration; and at midnight there would have been a magenta pink sky. In other words, the sky before the Flood was never totally dark."

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/k13.htm

Why should we trust "Dr." Carl Baugh?

I've once heard someone talk about pink clouds in Alaska so maybe there is something to this pink coloration of the sky.

No.

Anyway, the atmosphere is changing now with global warming. Why can't people believe the atmosphere was different (with higher oxygen content) back then.

Because it wasn't.

Also, most of have heard the theory that the continents were one land mass at one time.

What does that have to do with the atmosphere?

 

[DOC]

Also, most of have heard the theory that the continents were one land mass at one time.

What does that have to do with the atmosphere?

Not much, but it doesn't hurt the Noah story.

 

[Lothian]

Everyone has a right to their opinion/belief. You have your opinion/belief, and 2 billion Christians have their opinon/beliefs.

2.4 billion actually although they don’t all believe the same thing. There are over 38,000 Christian denominations all differing in their opinions; does God hate fags ?.

The largest Group of different Churches are the Catholics at around 1 billion, split into 23 different groups (rites) each having their own distinct theological emphases.

Even when you look within one group you find major differences.

Face facts, it doesn’t matter which religion you follow, argument by popularity is pretty pathetic. Most of the world thinks you are wrong.