Time to kick Iran

[WildCat]

Who is the Prince of Bahrain?

I'll bet you don't know who's buried in Grant's Tomb either.

 

[Oliver]

I'll bet you don't know who's buried in Grant's Tomb either.

You didn't get my question - I didn't mean: "Who's the Prince of Bahrain?"
I meant: Who the **** is this ****** anyway?


Anyway:

The Bushies are holding the NIE back concerning Iran because
it doesn't support the endtimeomgscenario those cowards predict:

Spooks refuse to toe Cheney's line on Iran
By Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - The US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear program. The aim is to make the document more supportive of Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts provided by participants in the NIE process to two former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officers.

Full Article: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IK10Ak01.html

 

[WildCat]

You didn't get my question - I didn't mean: "Who's the Prince of Bahrain?"
I meant: Who the **** is this ****** anyway?


Anyway:

If Gareth Porter of the Asia Times says so it must be true!

 

[gtc]

Oliver:

'Who is the Prince of Bahrain?'

Oliver:

'I didn't mean: Who's the Prince of Bahrain?'

 

[WildCat]

And you know what? I bet it's good to be the Prince of Bahrain! Lucky bastard!

 

[Hutch]

Actually, gents, that would be the King of Bahrain....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamad_bin_Isa_Al_Khalifah

 

[jsiv]

Actually, gents, that would be the King of Bahrain....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamad_bin_Isa_Al_Khalifah

I believe it was his son Salman, the Crown Prince, that made the statements about Iran.

But I think the point that is trying to be made is that everyone in the region is extremely wary of what's going on in Iran, despite Oliver's assurance that it's a non-issue.

 

[WildCat]

How are those negotiations you're so impressed with going, Oliver? I'll fill you in:

A crucial U.N. watchdog report this week is likely to say that Iran has improved cooperation with a long-running inquiry into shadowy atomic work, but diplomats say it may not be enough to answer any key questions.

Makes me feel all fuzzy inside! Iran is trying to do just enough to hold off sanctions for one more UN session. But they sure as hell aren't cooperating like they promised.

 

[INRM]

I don't want a war with Iran because it would almost certainly necessitate a draft. And I'm opposed to conscription. Especially since I'm draft age and while I love the Constitution and all that stuff, but I don't want to have to risk my life to defend it.

Plus I'm not mentally fit to serve, and I have a feeling that if things got bad, the army would look the other way if a person hand a mental condition whether the draftee wanted or not if things got bad enough.


INRM

 

[WildCat]

Iran is talking about being open for diplomatics

Yep, they talked and talked and talked about agreeing to come clean on their nuke program. And then they didn't come clean:

The U.N.'s nuclear watchdog admitted Thursday it was no longer in touch with how Iran's nuclear program was developing, even as Tehran continues its enrichment activities in defiance of sanctions.

A report from International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei, said that while Iran has cooperated in several areas -- by providing access to declared nuclear material, documents and facilities -- it is withholding in others.

"It should be noted that, since early 2006, the agency has not received the type of information that Iran had previously been providing," the report said.

"As a result, the agency's knowledge about Iran's current nuclear program is diminishing."

Still think they're cooperating Oliver?

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't want a war with Iran because it would almost certainly necessitate a draft.

That would depend very much on the nature of said war. An invasion is unlikely given the current limits on the available grounds troops. But we have enough air power available to launch an air war fairly easily. Such a war would necessarily have more limited objectives than an invasion, but it most certainly would not require a draft.

 

[WildCat]

My oh my, how the Iran apologists have abandoned this thread since the IAEA report on how Iran isn't cooperating, and in fact the IAEA knows less about Iran's nuclear program than ever.

Perhaps they're all in a corner somewhere sucking their thumbs repeating over and over to themselves "Iran is not as threat, Iran is not a threat"?

 

[Oliver]

My oh my, how the Iran apologists have abandoned this thread since the IAEA report on how Iran isn't cooperating, and in fact the IAEA knows less about Iran's nuclear program than ever.

Perhaps they're all in a corner somewhere sucking their thumbs repeating over and over to themselves "Iran is not as threat, Iran is not a threat"?

Iran is no threat. The Israel-supporter think otherwise and I fully
understand that since their self-made paranoia is more real than
the American one who think Iran is one big Terror-Machine.

I hope Bush and Friends will dare to attack the facility - just to
see if the CIA's blowback theory is as logical as it sounds.

Let's stop Iran now - or the end of the world is near!

 

[WildCat]

Iran is no threat.

Just as I predicted!

The Israel-supporter think otherwise

Why didn't you just use "Judenfreund"?

Let's stop Iran now - or the end of the world is near!

Believe it or not Oliver, there is a continuum from "no threat" to "the end of the world".

 

[Oliver]

Just as I predicted!

Yep. Just as the fact's and historical precedences show.

Why didn't you just use "Judenfreund"?

Because Jude doesn't mean Israel. You think otherwise?

Believe it or not Oliver, there is a continuum from "no threat" to "the end of the world".

Yep, that's what I see in US foreign policies - heading towards
conflicts ... deliberately. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[WildCat]

Yep. Just as the fact's and historical precedences show.

Facts show that Iran is hiding much from the IAEA, and the historical precedence that N. Korea built a bomb right under the nose of the IAEA.

Because Jude doesn't mean Israel. You think otherwise?

The point has nothing to do with Israel - your attempt to draw Israel into the picture and accuse anyone who disagrees with you as a "Israel-suppporter" (as if that is somehow pejorative) reveals your motivations. Iran is a threat to the region, not just Israel.

Yep, that's what I see in US foreign policies - heading towards
conflicts ... deliberately. Thanks for pointing it out.

I fail to see what this statement has to do with the statement of mine you quoted.

Last summer you were crowing about how Iran had agreed to settle everything with the IAEA. Now that they have reneged you brush off the event as a non-issue.

 

[Oliver]

Facts show that Iran is hiding much from the IAEA, and the historical precedence that N. Korea built a bomb right under the nose of the IAEA.

The point has nothing to do with Israel - your attempt to draw Israel into the picture and accuse anyone who disagrees with you as a "Israel-suppporter" (as if that is somehow pejorative) reveals your motivations. Iran is a threat to the region, not just Israel.

I fail to see what this statement has to do with the statement of mine you quoted.

Last summer you were crowing about how Iran had agreed to settle everything with the IAEA. Now that they have reneged you brush off the event as a non-issue.

Oh, so Iran threatening to "wipe Israel off the map", the phrase
we hear all the time in the US Media, isn't in any way related to
US interests.

Makes sense.

Oh, while we're at it: When did Iran threaten to "wipe the US off
the map?

Or when was the last time they invaded a sovereign country?
Or the last time they dropped a nuke onto hundred thousands civilians?
Or the last time they owned 10,000 nuclear warheads under a
president who listens to a imaginary God to invade Muslim countries?

Too bad that the rules in here forbid to point out the lack of
intelligence by some people in here...

Go ahead, "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". I don't care - but I will
laugh about the response the US will get for this pathetic,
paranoid, woo-based, cowardly stupidity.

You grant me that, don't you?

Oh, and did I mention it? :

 

[rikzilla]

 

[WildCat]

Oh, so Iran threatening to "wipe Israel off the map", the phrase
we hear all the time in the US Media, isn't in any way related to
US interests.

Makes sense.

Oh, while we're at it: When did Iran threaten to "wipe the US off
the map?

Or when was the last time they invaded a sovereign country?
Or the last time they dropped a nuke onto hundred thousands civilians?
Or the last time they owned 10,000 nuclear warheads under a
president who listens to a imaginary God to invade Muslim countries?

Too bad that the rules in here forbid to point out the lack of
intelligence by some people in here...

Go ahead, "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". I don't care - but I will
laugh about the response the US will get for this pathetic,
paranoid, woo-based, cowardly stupidity.

You grant me that, don't you?

Oh, and did I mention it? :

Oliver, please try to address the issue of Iran promising to cooperate to the IAEA, and then reneging. Your mindless rants out of left field do nothing for your argument.

 

[gtc]

...Iran threatening to "wipe Israel off the map",

...

Or the last time they dropped a nuke onto hundred thousands civilians?

I was trying to understand Oliver's point. I think I get it now.

The last time the US used nuclear weapons was 1945.

1945 is also the last time Oliver's people tried to wipe the Jews "off the map".

Hence, the Iranians are almost as bad as the Germans.