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Rigged ***2008*** Elections

If Reps win, there will be the large usual cries of "Rigged". If DEMs win, everything will return to some degree of sanity.

I personally would like Obama to win, as it stops the Clinton/Bush Domination, and I think he has the most vision, but I think in regards to the DEM nominee, the fix is in, and it will be Bill's wife.

TAM;)
 
peteweaver said:
Hilary will be the next President anyway, the republicans have had two terms, and now its time for the Democrats... Hilary is respected abroad, and at the moment the USA has an image problem abroad.
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You'll find that the US's image problem is not just a modern phenomenon.

Bush leaving is obligatory for you, so whoever wins it will appear to be an improvement to the rest of the world, at least for a few months.
 
What happened in 2000 had nothing to do with faulty voting machines, it was faulty paper ballots. Oliver should stop watching "Man of the Year" over and over again. I think Ron Paul should move to Germany and run against Merkel.
 
rwguinn said:
amazing how many non-citizens feel the need to pipe up on the US elections...
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Well the Americans are our neighbours, and do have a large impact on the entire world, and both our image are often closely related, through our proximity, so ya, I feel entitled to comment.

If you want to comment on Canadian Politics, FEEL FREE.

TAM:)
 
Well for a couple of months it will be hard to escape the election in a lot of the forums (even the non political ones), and a lot of forum members (not here to be honest) seem to not understand that people outside of the USA have access to the internet (or even exist).

I received a banning from one forum as they declared it a rule that everyone had to list the candidate they would be voting for in their profile in the last race. A lot of us Non USA peops posted pictures of each others avatars or kittens with made up slogans, we all got banned, so this time I am going to find the most objectionable independant I can, and copy into my sig to stave off any such action (not that I frequent that particular batch of forums any longer)

Seeing as results effect UK Troop movements, Business, and Security, it is at least useful to find out what the general attitude is espescially regarding foreign policies, the internal stuff is alien to me as I do not know the structure or systems a lot of it is referring to, However a statement of "We will introduce massive tarrifs on imports of X", or "Let's enforce sactions on <Non white ethnic, non-catholic country>" etc, might upset us NonCitz a little.

Besides the results have already been predetermined by a certain Giant Owl, and we ALL follow his instructions.

<re corrects lateral thrust for thread drift>
 
Minister of Public Safety with the current Stephen Harper Conservative Government.

TAM:)
 
Furi said:
Seeing as results effect UK Troop movements, Business, and Security, it is at least useful to find out what the general attitude is espescially regarding foreign policies
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ditto for me here in canuckville.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Well the Americans are our neighbours, and do have a large impact on the entire world, and both our image are often closely related, through our proximity, so ya, I feel entitled to comment.

If you want to comment on Canadian Politics, FEEL FREE.

TAM:)
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You actually have politics up there? I thought everybody was too occupied with just stayiing warm and Exporting whatever that "beer" is to bother...:D
 
Well, at least they didn't make him change his name to Doris. That's the kind of thing I wish American political commentators would do.

For those who might not have heard, Stockwell Day proposed a few years ago what basically amounted to a national referendum plan for Canada. Any petition that got more than a certain number of signatures would automatically be put to a national vote. A TV show then proposed a law that would compel Mr. Day to change his first name to Doris. This petition hit his proposed threshold within a couple of days. (I signed it twice and I'm not even Canadian.)

I gotta hand it to our northern neighbors, they have way more fun with their politics than we do here.
 
It'll be just like 2006, when the American's desire to stay the course with the Republicans was foiled by the dastardly Democrats, who fraudulently registered millions of phony voters and blatantly stole the election with the complicity of their buddies in the media.




See how moronic it sounds? Just as moronic as the claims about 2000 and 2004 sound to me.
 
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peteweaver said:
Hilary will be the next President anyway, the republicans have had two terms, and now its time for the Democrats... Hilary is respected abroad, and at the moment the USA has an image problem abroad.
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Maybe -- with regard to Hilary, I mean. There's a long way to go. I firmly believe that one reason many people voted against Kerry in 2004 was that a collection of representatives of the British upper-class-chattering classes (some English newspaper organized it, I forget which) sent open letters to voters in key states instructing them to vote for Kerry.

It's the sort of thing that makes one feel like throwing tea into harbo(u)rs.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Oliver

I don't know the mechanics involved in a voting machine but I did run quality control for a software company and I think you would be amazed at the amount of testing that is done on software.

What "simple string" do you think can be added to the code without there being a good chance of it being discovered?

I am not claiming it would be impossible. But i would find it hard to believe it is as easy as adding a "simple string".
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It should be remembered that the mechanics of the elections are run by the states, and are quite different. I've voted in 2 states (Michigan and NY) and how it is done is different. Big old machines with switches to flip in NY, pieces of paper with lines to fill in, and then insert in a box, in Michigan. Don't assume that a single company controls this.

Europeans often seem to forget that kind of point.
 
T.A.M. said:
Well the Americans are our neighbours, and do have a large impact on the entire world, and both our image are often closely related, through our proximity, so ya, I feel entitled to comment.

If you want to comment on Canadian Politics, FEEL FREE.

TAM:)
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How on god's green earth could an entire country believe that accords named after something called "Meese Lake" were going to work?

How's the ex-Mrs Trudeau these days?

Are the prairie provinces about to secede? Why not?

What about ... uh, which term do you use for formerly-known-as-Indians? Secession, armed rebellions, control of the cigarette business, what?

Do you prefer casinos in Windsor or Detroit?
 
SDC said:
Maybe -- with regard to Hilary, I mean. There's a long way to go. I firmly believe that one reason many people voted against Kerry in 2004 was that a collection of representatives of the British upper-class-chattering classes (some English newspaper organized it, I forget which) sent open letters to voters in key states instructing them to vote for Kerry.
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Yeah, that was a pretty memorable fiasco. The Guardian organized it.

The outcome was unsuccessful, although since Clark County (the targeted area) only saw a vote shift of about 2000 votes to Bush, it's hard to argue that was crucial.

But you can see why it failed from a few of the literate samples.
 
tap tap tap tap - Grrrrrclunk Sproing

SDC said:
Big old machines with switches to flip in NY, pieces of paper with lines to fill in, and then insert in a box, in Michigan.
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I remember watching a vid at school when learning about political systems, and during the one on democracy and it's various flavours there was a lot of footage of huge big 'One Armed bandit' type machines which I could not see the point of (given size) they looked for more complex than even the super sized linked pre-decimal mechanical accounting machines I used to to collect and take apart, and seemed more prone to Human error,

My second thought was of how much gubbins I could get out of them and then I ignored the rest of the lesson working out how such a system for automated Mechanical counting could work and methods to prevent fraud. (a simple Input - Count - Lock -Record - Master Reset per Count seemed the most fool proof) still seemed overly elaborate to me

saying that I have known quite a few people that have found a form with 5 large Printed Names Parties and Boxes, and given the following instructions complex

"To Cast Vote, Clearly Mark an X in ONE BOX ONLY " and a clear example of what they mean by an 'X' and a 'BOX' and an 'X' in a box, and examples that are void or spoiled. instructions of how to fold your paper, and even an example of placing it in the ballot box just incase.

Never volounteer to help out on an election night as they are using your scout hut as the polling station it just reinforces your belief in Human Stupidity.

no doubt the machines have come a long way since the ones I was shown, but I would trust a steampunk designed contraption, than a digital/electronic system unless I knew the method of program storage and fail safes against fraud or failure.
 
peteweaver said:
Hilary will be the next President anyway, the republicans have had two terms, and now its time for the Democrats... Hilary is respected abroad, and at the moment the USA has an image problem abroad.
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I don't think Hilary or Obama would be elected. The US populace is not mature or enlightened enough to elect a non-white or woman to the presidency. There are too many misogynists, racists and bigots in the US. The pattern of "elect the white Christian male" has been going on for a long time and will probably continue.
 
Coffee said:
I don't think Hilary or Obama would be elected. The US populace is not mature or enlightened enough to elect a non-white or woman to the presidency. There are too many misogynists, racists and bigots in the US. The pattern of "elect the white Christian male" has been going on for a long time and will probably continue.
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That will probably be the excuse the Democrats use when they loose the election.
 
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