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Eugenics supporters?

JEROME DA GNOME said:
Because you wrote this below that those questions came to my mind:
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Then allow me to clarify: People have a legal right to be a-holes. However, that does not mean that the mere belief that various ethnic groups are inherently inferior to others is not problematic within societies. I feel that the best means for addressing racist ideas is education, not incarceration.

Now might I ask that you respond to one of my questions?

Jerome stated: said:
No, the intention is to present the current human races in different degrees of evolution.
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The intention of whom? I've seen a lot of racists employing pseudo science to try to do so. But modern anthropology, armed with more complete evidence than ever before in the form of the human genome itself, has on the whole exposed the idea of race as a vague human construct with no grounding in science.
 
Sorry, I lost track of this thread.

Foster Zygote said:
Then allow me to clarify: People have a legal right to be a-holes. However, that does not mean that the mere belief that various ethnic groups are inherently inferior to others is not problematic within societies. I feel that the best means for addressing racist ideas is education, not incarceration.
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I am against society wide uniform "education". This provides too easy an angle for the elite to manipulate and control people; particularly with the knowledge we have gained about mass population control.


The intention of whom? I've seen a lot of racists employing pseudo science to try to do so. But modern anthropology, armed with more complete evidence than ever before in the form of the human genome itself, has on the whole exposed the idea of race as a vague human construct with no grounding in science.
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The intention of the power elite for the purpose of manipulating the proles.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I am against society wide uniform "education". This provides too easy an angle for the elite to manipulate and control people; particularly with the knowledge we have gained about mass population control.
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So you're against teaching scientific facts such as that race is a vague human construct with no grounding in anthropological science and that there is no data that no one is more or less likely to behave in a disruptive, criminal or destructive manner based simply on the color of their skin?

The intention of the power elite for the purpose of manipulating the proles.
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Have you any evidence to support this assertion? You are suggesting that the scientific community is simply a front for a sinister power structure, yes? The problem is that there is no evidence to support your assertion. I recently ran a Google search of Neanderthal images and turned up numerous results that do not conform to your "dark skin, big lips" model. And you still haven't responded to those who have pointed out that a large percentage of humans do have dark skin and larger lips relative to others. So how is it racist to depict Neanderthals as possibly having features that a large portion of the current human population has?
 
Foster Zygote said:
So you're against teaching scientific facts such as that race is a vague human construct with no grounding in anthropological science and that there is no data that no one is more or less likely to behave in a disruptive, criminal or destructive manner based simply on the color of their skin?
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No; your implication is offensive and does not follow what I wrote.

I will chalk this up to my tardiness and your anxiousness.


Have you any evidence to support this assertion? You are suggesting that the scientific community is simply a front for a sinister power structure, yes? The problem is that there is no evidence to support your assertion. I recently ran a Google search of Neanderthal images and turned up numerous results that do not conform to your "dark skin, big lips" model. And you still haven't responded to those who have pointed out that a large percentage of humans do have dark skin and larger lips relative to others. So how is it racist to depict Neanderthals as possibly having features that a large portion of the current human population has?
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The Open Conspiracy by H.G. Wells 1933
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
No; your implication is offensive and does not follow what I wrote.
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What do you find offensive? Is it my statement that educated people will be less likely to propagate racist ideas? My experience with education pointed me to the scientific facts regarding racism. You seem to be claiming that the education system is a tool designed to promote racism.

The Open Conspiracy by H.G. Wells 1933
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Yes, I read your thread. It wasn't at all convincing.

Why are you ignoring the issue of many modern humans actually having dark skin and large lips? Why would a fairly speculative reconstruction of a Neanderthal that has features common to much of modern humanity be "racist"?

What evidence do you have that the anthropological community is being used by the "power elite" to propagate the idea that people with darker skin and larger lips are "more primitive" than others? You do realize that the popular notion of Neanderthals is far from the scientific understanding of them, yes?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I provided you a tool for self education which answers your query and you are disregarding it, why?
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I am not disregarding it, I happen to have a vomiting two and a half year old who's care takes precedent over this exchange.

That Rae West site is hardly convincing. There seems to be little else to be found by or about him on the web. Not to mention that the links themselves seem to be technically problematic. Many of the problems with Wests claims have already been addressed in the thread you started about it in the Conspiracy Theories sub-forum.

Let me get this straight: You think that Wells had inside knowledge of a real conspiracy for world domination and that he was openly writing about it. The evidence you cite for this is that "Much of what he wrote has reached fruition". What specifically has reached fruition that leads you to conclude that Wells knew the preplanned path of the future?

There are other science fiction writers who have predicted events, technologies, etc. that have come to pass. Is this an indication that they are part of, or have knowledge of, a vast conspiracy with the power to dictate the path of scientific discovery, technological development, and broad social trends? Or might it be that science fiction writers are often aware of the latest developments in science and technology and have the imagination to imagine how they might change the world?
 
Foster Zygote said:
I am not disregarding it, I happen to have a vomiting two and a half year old who's care takes precedent over this exchange.
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Outrageous!!! I am vastly more important than your child!;)

That Rae West site is hardly convincing. There seems to be little else to be found by or about him on the web. Not to mention that the links themselves seem to be technically problematic. Many of the problems with Wests claims have already been addressed in the thread you started about it in the Conspiracy Theories sub-forum.
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I have not looked into Rae West. I just found the text of the writings I was referring too there.

Let me get this straight: You think that Wells had inside knowledge of a real conspiracy for world domination and that he was openly writing about it. The evidence you cite for this is that "Much of what he wrote has reached fruition". What specifically has reached fruition that leads you to conclude that Wells knew the preplanned path of the future?
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The purposed plan, yes. The other option is to chalk his writing as one of the most ridiculous, complex, and accurate coincidences ever.

There are other science fiction writers who have predicted events, technologies, etc. that have come to pass. Is this an indication that they are part of, or have knowledge of, a vast conspiracy with the power to dictate the path of scientific discovery, technological development, and broad social trends? Or might it be that science fiction writers are often aware of the latest developments in science and technology and have the imagination to imagine how they might change the world?
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I am curious of your thinking after reading the writing.
 
Diagoras said:
It depends on how you're defining "eugenics" really. What if we were able to get rid of some horrible genetic disease through gene therapy? Would that count as eugenics? Because I would totally be in support of that.
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That is not really what Eugenics is/was all about...as a German, you have probably not been permitted to expose yourself to this as it's wrapped up in a very shameful part of your history (I know they soft-sell that whole 1936-1945 thing in Germany..when everyone was on holiday).

Eugenics was not developed as a means of ridding people of genetic disease as we define it today (developed world) but rather, selecting for "desired traits." This very much appealed to a certain group who began rising into power in Germany circa late 1920s. Eugenicists would LOVE what medical science could--if permitted-- do in that regard, today. Look at how ultrasound is used in India: if it's a girl, she's aborted.

Tokie
 
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