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Fake Ron Paul Currency seized

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EVANSVILLE, Indiana (AP) — Federal agents raided the headquarters of a group that produces illegal currency and puts it in circulation, seizing gold, silver and two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.


Agents also took records, computers and froze the bank accounts at the "Liberty Dollar" headquarters during the Thursday raid, Bernard von NotHaus, founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act & Internal Revenue Code, said in a posting on the group's Web site.


The organization, which is critical of the Federal Reserve, has repeatedly clashed with the federal government, which contends that the gold, silver and copper coins it produces are illegal. NORFED claims its Liberty Dollars are inflation free and can restore stability to financial markets by allowing commerce based on a currency that does not fluctuate in value like the U.S. dollar.
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I find it amusing that the Paul campaign seems to be attracting the real nutbars--the Twoofers, the neo-Nazis (Stormfront), now these bozos.

Look, Paul people, if you want people to accept Paul as a serious candidate--he's gotta distance himself from his base of supporters. 'Cause right now, his base of supporters make the Larouchites seem reasonable.
 
Cleon said:
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I find it amusing that the Paul campaign seems to be attracting the real nutbars--the Twoofers, the neo-Nazis (Stormfront), now these bozos.

Look, Paul people, if you want people to accept Paul as a serious candidate--he's gotta distance himself from his base of supporters. 'Cause right now, his base of supporters make the Larouchites seem reasonable.
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So what? Paul doesn't have anything to do with the Liberty-Dollar
nor the Stormyfronties. Why even start a new thread among the
10 other Paul-Thread's? :p
 
He took money from Stormfront.

He's a regular guest on the Alex Jones show, another Stormfront supporter.

I can give you that Paul doesn't really have a clue about a lot of the people that are sending him the checks he cashes. Of course, that is just another way he is like all the other politicians.
 
Donal said:
He took money from Stormfront.

He's a regular guest on the Alex Jones show, another Stormfront supporter.

I can give you that Paul doesn't really have a clue about a lot of the people that are sending him the checks he cashes.
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Really? Money from Stormfront?

Do you have something more than an assertion to back that up? That's an interesting statement.
Of course, that is just another way he is like all the other politicians.
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I'll bet the over on that.

DR
 
Cleon said:
Look, Paul people, if you want people to accept Paul as a serious candidate--he's gotta distance himself from his base of supporters. 'Cause right now, his base of supporters make the Larouchites seem reasonable.
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You look desperate!

You are claiming that gold is fake currency!

Was anyone here charged with presenting FAKE currency?

If not your, OP title is a LIE.

Have you checked into his pedophilia cannibalistic habits?
 
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BTW, which of those seized metals "are inflation free and can restore stability to financial markets by allowing commerce based on a currency that does not fluctuate in value"?

Last I checked, value of gold, silver, and copper have been pretty volatile.
 
WildCat said:
BTW, which of those seized metals "are inflation free and can restore stability to financial markets by allowing commerce based on a currency that does not fluctuate in value"?

Last I checked, value of gold, silver, and copper have been pretty volatile.
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When you hold gold it rises with the fall of the dollar. The gold in your pocket today will retain purchasing power over time; were as the Fed dollar loses purchasing power over time.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
The gold in your pocket today will retain purchasing power over time; were as the Fed dollar loses purchasing power over time.
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The price of gold has been known to fall, and few keep dollars under their pillows. Dollars get invested, whereas gold just sits somewhere while it's fortunes rest on the ebbs and flows of the commodity markets.
 
The $20 coins were redeemable for 15 USD worth of silver or less than 20 green paper USD. They were selling their coins to their buddies for less than 20 USD and urging people to spend them on 20 USD worth of goods and services, and then offering to redeem them from irate merchants for less than 20 USD.

The coins were designed to confuse people and into thinking that they were legal tender; which they are not. Had they been designed to look like anything but actual US coins they would have been legal.
 
ChristineR said:
The $20 coins were redeemable for 15 USD worth of silver or less than 20 green paper USD. They were selling their coins to their buddies for less than 20 USD and urging people to spend them on 20 USD worth of goods and services, and then offering to redeem them from irate merchants for less than 20 USD.

The coins were designed to confuse people and into thinking that they were legal tender; which they are not. Had they been designed to look like anything but actual US coins they would have been legal.
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Really?

What were they charged with?
 
WildCat said:
The price of gold has been known to fall, and few keep dollars under their pillows. Dollars get invested, whereas gold just sits somewhere while it's fortunes rest on the ebbs and flows of the commodity markets.
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Do you and I have the right to trade goods between each other?

Do you and I determine the value within that trade?

Gold is a reasonable way to save. Saving dollar is foolish.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Do you and I have the right to trade goods between each other?

Do you and I determine the value within that trade?
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Nothing to do with the story at hand.

Gold is a reasonable way to save. Saving dollar is foolish.
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Suppose you bought $10,000 in gold in January of 1980. What was it worth 20 years later? Now compare/contrast to anything from the DJIA or even a lowly bank CD over that time period.

Now, you were saying...?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Really?

What were they charged with?
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All that info came from their website. See http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/paper_legal.pdf Also read about their "associate" program to learn how you can get $20 for less than $20 and "How to Spend" for tips on how to deceive people into believing that the coins are actually worth 20 USD. The exchange of the 20 LD for less than 20 USD you can read about here: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/faqs/convertibility.htm
 
The virtues of precious metals is a complex subject, but the fact is that the $20 coin had only $15 worth of metal value. The government apparently had no objection to the paper notes as they were not mistaken for real dollars. There are many private currencies; the most widely used is probably the Ithaca Hour which is worth whatever the buyer and the seller agree upon. The coins were FAKE in the sense that they were designed to be deceptive. Had they called them Zorkmids and stayed away from confusing phrases like LIBERTY and TRUST IN GOD then they'd still be in business.
 
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