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[Merged]LCFC Errors / Loose Change Final Cut

GreNME said:
This is close enough. The term actually means a militia who 'struggles' against a supposed oppressive or unjust source and can mean anything from an insurgent force to a group of freedom fighters to a righteously-formed militia. The term has been usurped by fundementalists these days.

But yeah, peteweaver gets the kewpie doll on that one.
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This is true, but the correctness of its use in Final Cut depends on its context. Truthers often falsely claim that Arab Mujahedin, including what would be the nucleus of al Qaeda, were funded in part by the U.S. via Pakistan's ISI. That's the "bin Laden was a U.S. agent" argument. Of course it was the Afghan Mujahedin who received that funding, and bin Laden despised the U.S. at that time.
 
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Gravy said:
This is true, but the correctness of its use in Final Cut depends on its context. Truthers often falsely claim that Arab Mujahedin, including what would be the nucleus of al Qaeda, were funded in part by the U.S. via Pakistan's ISI. That's the "bin Laden was a U.S. agent" argument. Of course it was the Afghan Mujahedin who received that funding, and bin Laden despised the U.S. at that time.
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Yeah, I don't think I disagreed with that. In fact, I'd say that the 'correctness' of its use in Loose Change is about nil.
 
i just got done watching the part 8 on google, and i am alittle disapointed:( the last piece of evidence might be true.:eek: they claim that a guy from the nst wouldnt give a guy talking about molten steel his email adress:jaw-dropp
how can this be i can feel the revolution starting:boxedin:
 
Gravy said:
This is true, but the correctness of its use in Final Cut depends on its context. Truthers often falsely claim that Arab Mujahedin, including what would be the nucleus of al Qaeda, were funded in part by the U.S. via Pakistan's ISI. That's the "bin Laden was a U.S. agent" argument. Of course it was the Afghan Mujahedin who received that funding, and bin Laden despised the U.S. at that time.
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I would point out that some of the funding that Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) (The precurser to Al Qaeda) received did in fact come from the US, but not from the Government, rather from muslim charieties inside the US.

However, having said that, the agreement between the Pakistani ISI and the CIA was very strict in that the CIA had to be hands off. They were to give the money and weapons to the ISI and then the Pakistanis would decide who got what. They selected a number of Afghani groups who they considered pro-islamic and not a danger to becoming pro-pushtun independance and then supplied them with the weapons and money they were getting from the CIA. The MAK itself never saw any of that money, and neither did the other foreign fighters (most of whom never did much in the way of fighting anyway) that were in the camps, the Pakistanis saw to that. When the CIA did start to spread deeper into the camps and Afghanistan itself, they also made sure they picked out certain groups to back, none of them being the MAK. In fact OBL's main job early on with the MAK was as fund raiser to help pay their way.
 
Brainster said:
They show Curt Weldon with a chart showing Mohamed Atta, without mentioning that the chart was a recreation, not the supposed original chart produced prior to 9-11.

They also show an Air Force officer saying "We fought many phantoms that day," without mentioning that he's not referring to their supposed "insertions" but to phantom Flight 11, which the military believed was still airborne long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center, and to other flights which were believed to have possibly been hijacked like Delta 1989.
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Why did the military believe AA11 was stilll airborne?

Oh yeah because it never disappeared off of the radar. In fact it stayed on the radar for a good 45 minutes or so afterwards I believe.

Explain.
 
Talk about selective use of evidence. Dylan states that Hani Hanjour came to the US to become a pilot but failed to complete any courses, but did not finish them. Hello, he already had a license before he came!

At least he dropped the insulting Burlingame thing.
 
TheRedWorm said:
Do you have evidence that it stayed on the radar screen for 45 minutes?
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Erase the time because I believe that was the amount I heard.

Regardless it stayed on radar long enough for the military to "confirm" that it was "definitely another plane that hit the tower" and that AA11 was "still airborne and still a hijack" to the FAA?

Those quoted words I recall directly from the recordings.
 
So, you were wrong about your 45 minute claim, yet you expect us to trust your memory to provide correct and in context quotes from (?) recordings?
 
So there are more errors in LC:FC. Does that mean that there will be a LC:FC Redux?

To ruin a good book and basically quote what I said in a different thread:

I can see it now, somewhere in LC land a peon is sitting in a cubicle which has two pneumatic tubes, one for messages and one for bigger things. There is a speakwrite and a telescreen with a picture of this Dylan guy and news continuously saying how the troofer movement is growing at astronomical proportions.

A message drops through the smaller tube and the peon takes it.

LC:FC malreported doubleplusungood crimethink refs debunkable rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.
 
TheRedWorm said:
So, you were wrong about your 45 minute claim, yet you expect us to trust your memory to provide correct and in context quotes from (?) recordings?
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So you're now actually denying AA11 remained on the radar after it's impact with the North Tower?

Really?

Please say yes.
 
Wildy said:
So there are more errors in LC:FC. Does that mean that there will be a LC:FC Redux?

To ruin a good book and basically quote what I said in a different thread:

I can see it now, somewhere in LC land a peon is sitting in a cubicle which has two pneumatic tubes, one for messages and one for bigger things. There is a speakwrite and a telescreen with a picture of this Dylan guy and news continuously saying how the troofer movement is growing at astronomical proportions.

A message drops through the smaller tube and the peon takes it.

LC:FC malreported doubleplusungood crimethink refs debunkable rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling.
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So the errors are that it was a replica of the Able Danger board (not inaccurate - just not the original) and that someone they used as a source actually used someone else for their source in their article?

Wow those are awesome debunking arguments there! :D
 
TC329 said:
So you're now actually denying AA11 remained on the radar after it's impact with the North Tower?

Really?

Please say yes.
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That's not what I said. I simply asked you to provide evidence for your claim. It sounds as if you can, so, if you don't mind, present it.
 
TC329 said:
Why did the military believe AA11 was stilll airborne?

Oh yeah because it never disappeared off of the radar. In fact it stayed on the radar for a good 45 minutes or so afterwards I believe.

Explain.
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That would be incorrect.
 
TC329 said:
So you're now actually denying AA11 remained on the radar after it's impact with the North Tower?

Really?

Please say yes.
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That is absolutely correct. They weren not able to confirm that it was flight 11 to begin with, hence thinking later that one of the other planes may have been flight 11 since it too didn't have a transponder on.
 
Brainster said:
Let's start a compilation thread here for all the mistakes and bunk.

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Wouldn't it be easier on the JREF's bandwidth to make a list of things LCFC got right?

I'll start:





......that's about it for now. I'll update as I keep watching.
 
TC329 said:
Why did the military believe AA11 was stilll airborne?

Oh yeah because it never disappeared off of the radar. In fact it stayed on the radar for a good 45 minutes or so afterwards I believe.

Explain.
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Because one of the people in ATC heard during a conference call that it was still in the air, and erroneously pssed it on to NEADS. If you want to know more, send him a PM, he posts here under the name cheapshot
 
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