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Richard Gage to debate CD on Toronto radio show

Maybe I'm too cynical, but when a guy who normally refuses to debate agrees to a debate, I start to wonder about his opponent.
 
I'm not holding out much hope; the previous show on the website is:

NOVEMBER 8TH, 2007
11PM Illusionist Criss Angel says ALL PSYCHICS AND MEDIUMS ARE FAKES? GUEST: Anthony Carr, THE MAN WHO PREDICTED 9/11, and "The World's Most Documented Psychic!"
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Carr is actually "The World's Most Self-aggrandizing Phoney". I don't see him appearing on a show that actually asked him anything but fawning questions.

However, I will listen on Monday, if only for a few minutes.
 
I've heard Richard Syrett before. Full-fledged twoofer.

I wonder if they'll be taking phone calls.
 
Gage really talks very little about architectural matters; I imagine he'll start throwing around the bull about "eight hijackers are still alive" and "Atta lived with a stripper and snorted coke."

He's due here in early December. I am looking forward to asking him a few pointed questions.
 
jhunter1163 said:
It appears that Mr. Craig is fully qualified to demolish Gage. Whether he chooses to do so is another matter entirely.
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Yes, as I said above, I do not have any reason to doubt Mr. Craig's credentials. I am, however, naturally suspicious and naturally skeptical about Gage agreeing to, and promoting, this "debate", particularly in light of the fact that Gage is so afraid of legitimate debate that he forbids it on his own forum. That this is scheduled to occur late at night on a radio show hosted by a full blown woo woo does nothing to ameliorate my suspicion.

I can't help but consider the possibility that this could be something crafted by Gage and the woo woo host in order to get the FX expert to say something along the lines of, "Yes, I could create special effects that look like that," so that twoofers can then say, "See? An FX expert says that it was all special effects!!!111eleventy!!11".

Mr. Craig is an unknown quantity at the moment, so it is impossible to ascertain what his role in this might be. I wonder if he knows about the Twoof Movement and if he knows that Gage is a liar and a fraud. I wonder if he knows how intellectually dishonest Gage is and if he is prepared for the Tinhat Two-Step. I wonder if he knows what to expect, and I wonder if he is being set up to be sandbagged and quote-mined by the Twoof Movement.

I guess we'll find out on Monday night.

pomeroo said:
Maybe I'm too cynical, but when a guy who normally refuses to debate agrees to a debate, I start to wonder about his opponent.
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It's not cynical to be suspicious of a guy like Gage, who actively avoids debate at all costs, suddenly agreeing to and promoting a debate. I'm not sure that it necessarily reflects badly on his opponent, though - like I said above, the whole thing could be a set up by Gage and the woo woo host to sandbag the opponent. We don't know enough about Mr. Craig at this point to tell. It might be worth dropping an email to Mr. Craig, though, to find out more.

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I'm not holding out much hope; the previous show on the website is...
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Yes, it is apparent that the host is a complete woo woo. Gage is an intellectually dishonest coward who never strays far from the warmth and comfort of his fellow lunatics, so it is not surprising that he's only willing to "debate" on a radio show hosted by a woo. Still, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

CHF said:
I've heard Richard Syrett before. Full-fledged twoofer. I wonder if they'll be taking phone calls.
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I had never heard of Syrett until today, but yes, it's apparent from his bio and the radio station link above that he's a full blown woo.

And I sure hope that they'll be taking phone calls on Monday night.
 
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Craig has credential in blasting, EOD and fire fighting. He should be able to tell them what does or does not look like FX and what could not be done.

For instance, he would know that you cannot produce that kind of fireballs without a lot of real fuel hidden in the building, and it would have been noticeable in occupied office space.

Perhaps Gage is underestimating Craig's intelligence or ability to withstand a brow-beating. With a fire fighting background, I don't think Craig is going to take kindly to any suggestion that you could slip evidence of CD past experienced first responders.

Kevin Ryan did appear to me to be trying to bully Shermer, and I don't think Shermer came back hard enough at him. Maybe Shermer is just too much a gentleman. I don't think that the personality type that would go into explosives is the kind that a dope like Gage should want to push arround.
 
leftysergeant said:
Kevin Ryan did appear to me to be trying to bully Shermer, and I don't think Shermer came back hard enough at him. Maybe Shermer is just too much a gentleman. I don't think that the personality type that would go into explosives is the kind that a dope like Gage should want to push arround.
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Shermer's problem is that he doesn't know enough of the minutiae that the Troofers like to cite and so he doesn't know how to respond except to cite generalities when they get into the really arcane stuff.

Gage will not limit himself to architectural matters. He is not debating in front of a bunch of architects. Watch his video sometime; it's Loose Change with an "I design steel buildings all the time" overlay. It's quite possible that he brings less real expertise to bear on 9-11 questions than Steven Jones. And yes, that is an insult.
 
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Gage is the world's lamest appeal to authority. He has done absolutely no new research or analysis. Watch the new video on 911 blogger, about all he does is play clips from 911 Mysteries. I am surprised he doesn't bring up clunkity-clunk.
 
Just tuned in. Craig is kicking his ass.

I like how before the commercial break Gage said he couldn't explain the "squibs" because he's not an explosives expert. Gee, I wonder where he could find one of those?

OMG, Hoffman now on, claiming that the tower collapses became more symmetrical as they progressed. What. A. Moron.

Craig: "What we have is a plate of spaghetti there."

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"Pyroclastic dust clouds", same old ridiculous crap from Hoffman.

eta: Oops, that was Gage, figures.
 
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Gage:

Pyroclastic flows. "The smoke enfolds itself because of all the incredible heat." :eek:

Puffs of smoke at top of damaged area of WTC 7. "Can only be squibs or explosives."

Steel broken up into shipment-sized pieces.

Symmetrical collapse at freefall speed.

Gage reminds me alot of Fetzer. Like a fire hydrant spewing wrong.
 
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Hilarious that Gage needed backup from the nutcase Hoffman... Even after he went off on the usual tangents, Craig is cool and calm and describes Hoffman's diatribe, accurately, as a "plate of spaghetti" and talks about the twoofers' "red herrings" - like using a lawn mower instead of ... "


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Gage on BBC announcing collapse of WTC 7 prematurely: "They must have had a script!" [double laughing dog!]

Craig handled Silverstein issue concisely and well.
 
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He did, indeed.
Now, they say they're going to take calls before summing up... I'm listening for the phone number - none forthcoming so far.
 
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