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Dowsing by edge - Part III

It's not plain English.
Only parts of it are understandable.

I keep thinking that you all have good memories and that you can recall things we have spoken of in the past but I see I was wrong and have to write every word all over every time I write some thing about an issue we have already talked about.
 
FramerDave said:
It's a birthmark and I don't appreciate you making fun of it.
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I've got to stand up for edge here. There is no way any one of us could have known that that is a birthmark. Hell, I thought it was you making some kind of statement that I was too dense to get. I think that is a reasonable interpretation of your avatar. That it is an incorrect interpretation is not the issue.

In my opinion, edge gets the nod here. He did not commit a knowable personal affront.
 
SezMe, I think you need to take a course in sarcastic humour.

FramerDave, great response. Made me spit coffee on my keyboard.
 
edge said:
See agian,

What was the reading when no target was there?

And then when it was?

The metal caused the high reading and what caused the low reading?

Could it have been things in the sand the dirt?
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Which clearly demonstrates why sand isn't an issue. Even if it gives a low reading, you admit it does not give a reading even approaching what you get with the actual target.
 
Damn, now the planet Earth gets in the way of dowsing, go figure.

Paul

:) :) :)

Funny, how sand in the river bed gives him no problem, only TEST SAND.
 
Paulhoff said:
Damn, now the planet Earth gets in the way of dowsing, go figure.

Paul

:) :) :)

Funny, how sand in the river bed gives him no problem, only TEST SAND.
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Funny how you all have selective memories.

Sand is quartz based and quartz carries a charge that would be interferences.
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So stack more sand on a spot, how much more of a reading will you get and how many more variables can you expect per each container.

Low-end measurements will all be different instead of the same.

It's a birthmark and I don't appreciate you making fun of it.
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Well there's a phenomena, I don't believe you, if it was a birthmark then it should be red or pink, if it's black you better have it checked every so often.


A 22 page post is not possible. Do you mean 22 posts out of some thread? If so, which thread? If the mods take action such as moving or deleting posts, there is always an explanation. Your reason is that such action was taken "to hide what was going on". What silly explanation did the mod team give and where can we find it?
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The post in the million dollar challenge thread, where we started with this conversation was at 52 pages, and then they moderated it down to about 30.

This "lagging" phenomenon is technically called hysteresis. As far as I know, you have not previously introduced this concept into your dowsing capabilities. You certainly did NOT mention it during our Coffee Creek tests.

So, can you define more precisely "a few minutes" that must delayed between tests? What impact does this hysteresis have on the various protocols that have been promulgated?
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I did NOT mention it during our Coffee Creek tests because we had already agreed to trim down with the time limit B.S.
And I was testing how that would go.
Possibly the reason why I missed the one target that I missed, Think about it.
 
edge said:
Funny how you all have selective memories.
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Actually, edge, it is your opponents here whose memories are more accurate. We are able to note the inconsistencies in what you post.


edge said:
So stack more sand on a spot, how much more of a reading will you get and how many more variables can you expect per each container.
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You mean you don't know? You've been dowsing for how long now and you have no idea how sand affects your efforts?

Besides the fact that it means all your claimed successes are made void by the fact that sand is ubiquitous, it seems now that you are making the claim that you can detect sand, too.

Forget everything else. Don't dowse for gold. Dowse for sand in the containers. Use rubber or flour as the dummy target.


edge said:
Low-end measurements will all be different instead of the same.
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Ah. So your dowsing rod is imprecise. What is its level of sensitivity and how do you gauge it? After all these years and all these successes and all these refinements in your method, surely you have established at least those two critical pieces of information.


edge said:
The post in the million dollar challenge thread, where we started with this conversation was at 52 pages, and then they moderated it down to about 30.
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That's a thread. The Million Dollar Challenge is a sub-forum, not a thread. One single post (when you hit the "Submit Reply" button, is a post.


edge said:
I did NOT mention it during our Coffee Creek tests because we had already agreed to trim down with the time limit B.S.
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So if you go fast sand doesn't have an effect.


edge said:
And I was testing how that would go.
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Bull.


edge said:
Possibly the reason why I missed the one target that I missed, Think about it.
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I have. It doesn't work out. The sand was there for every target and would have had the same effect every time, not a varying effect.

Unless of course there is no effect after all. Think about it.
 
Let me simplify what I need.
One target 10 containers, one bucket.
9 will be empty and one will have the target I will scan all 10, and then repeat that 10 times and then again for the final later.
One spot where I will dowse all the containers.
One person on my side to witness for me, at a distance.
When the metal shows up we will stop and the A team clears the field of what I believe to be the target, I will then come back to a empty field and say when to start again.
That’s my rest time up to 10 minutes.
I won’t see any of the movement of the containers at any time.
The test will take, However long the test takes, after all it’s for a million.
There’s a chance that I can do this in one day.
Randi will make sure that I DO NOT CHEAT.
If it takes longer, then tough titty.
Your either scared or you are not.
Up until the test, I am the only one spending money.
If I win, then we party because everything will change.
Get over this part and lets move on.
It’s pretty simple.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2737868#post2737868
Taken from there.

Then down the page Remi says, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2739404#post2739404

That’s a given and didn’t even need to be there.
That’s like saying I’m going to cheat if I can, of course I am not to witness this.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2782675#post2782675



http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2948348#post2948348


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2947390#post2947390


Here are the test results, which shows what happens. These are things I learned as I went along.
This is what lead me to the last protocol which is the best I can do to prove that it works.

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/attachment.php?attachmentid=7510&d=1183648761


In your words SezMe,
Mike had a specific goal in mind for this demonstration, namely, to ascertain whether his dowsing
had to be calibrated for different dowsing locations (more on what “calibration” means below).
My main goal was to get a definitive understanding of kind of test Mike is proposing because I
could not get a clear picture of it from his postings on the JREF forum. Secondarily, I wanted to
do an informal test to see how it would go. And, finally, I wanted to meet “edge” because he
seemed to be an interesting guy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2684208#post2684208


22 pages of pruning.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2920887#post2920887

Garrette I tried to eliminate evry possible interferance................
 
Edge, you said you would probably never apply again for the JREF Challenge. Instead, you would seek different channels.

Why are you still posting here?

Have you realized that there is no one defending your insufficient mangling of a proper dowsing protocol or your alleged abilities?



You should go for the Nobel Prize. Nothing less. Stick it to those darn skeptics.
 
Just wanted to reiterate what Snow said (and I had pointed out long ago) regarding edge's writing/communication skills.

edge said:
...with a lame excuse that they couldn’t understand what I was writing...
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Not a "lame excuse". Just a fact.

edge said:
Since you guys have reading comprehension issues...
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ALL of us?!?

edge said:
My writing skills aren’t as great as a novelist but it’s plane English and it is understandable and I get better all the time.
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No. You don't. And even when people ask for clarification, you either ignore them, or get confrontational.
 
ObscureReferenceMan said:
Just wanted to reiterate what Snow said (and I had pointed out long ago) regarding edge's writing/communication skills.


Not a "lame excuse". Just a fact.


ALL of us?!?


No. You don't. And even when people ask for clarification, you either ignore them, or get confrontational.
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You seem to understand three of my sentences.
The I.I.G. question that I sent to them was written by Spectator, I suppose they don't understand him either?

You purposefully reject any thing you don't understand including clarification.
 
edge said:
You seem to understand three of my sentences.
The I.I.G. question that I sent to them was written by Spectator, I suppose they don't understand him either?

You purposefully reject any thing you don't understand including clarification.
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Edge, you said you would probably never apply again for the JREF Challenge. Instead, you would seek different channels.

Why are you still posting here?



I ask everyone involved to endure and permit the larsenness displayed.
 
GzuzKryzt said:
Edge, you said you would probably never apply again for the JREF Challenge. Instead, you would seek different channels.

Why are you still posting here?
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Because I have sent in to the IIG to do the test, another skeptical group that is linked with the JREF.
Most of the recent questions apply to the protocol I sent to them if you read back you should be aware of the questions unless you are just trolling in here,[Snow].

They are very direct question in regards to my protocol and those where written by fellow skeptics sent in by me, and so it is not a excuse that they don't understand me, more like they don't want to take a risk now.

I got nothing better to do now except wait and keep you straight on what is the truth about the great god of skepticism and science, your demi god.
 
edge said:
Because I have sent in to the IIG to do the test, another skeptical group that is linked with the JREF.
Most of the recent questions apply to the protocol I sent to them if you read back you should be aware of the questions unless you are just trolling in here,[Snow].

They are very direct question in regards to my protocol and those where written by fellow skeptics sent in by me, and so it is not a excuse that they don't understand me, more like they don't want to take a risk now.

I got nothing better to do now except wait and keep you straight on what is the truth about the great god of skepticism and science, your demi god.
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You conveniently ignore that the skeptical thinking by Spektator and SezMe plus a few others enabled you to refine your protocol.

You ignore that you should have something better to do, which is of course: Dowsing for gold or silver to make money.

Your self-perception also lets you ignore that while apparently lacking the most basical knowledge of physics, you ramble about theories which make you look like the boob you probably are.
Hence, you ignore that it is likely not about the risk of losing money which keeps IIG from not responding, it is the very obvious waste of time with a self-deceived bleep.

Which leads to the conclusion that you will do everything necessary to keep your self-deception alive.
You will not back down, despite the one-in-a-googolplex chance that you might be right.
You will continue to ramble and mutter.
Forever and ever.
Like every believer.
 
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edge, do you take meds? I am asking sincerely as you seem to display many behavioral eccentricities common to people I have contact with in my professional life every day. If you do take meds, I wonder if you'd be open enough to tell me what the meds are, and what is the condition you suffer from?
 
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