The immediate aftermath of an alien abduction

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I was lying in bed last night, unable to sleep, amusing myself that the noise the boiler was making was actually aliens coming to abduct me. I planned to grab my phone at the last minute so I could get some snapshots of the aliens aboard the mothership, because otherwise how else would anyone believe me? And I'd probably want to grab a towel, too, if I had time. You never know.

Anyway, that led me to the realisation that I've never read any accounts of the immediate aftermath of an alleged alien abduction, and surely it must be an extremely traumatic and dramatic time?

What I mean by that is, if I was abducted by aliens last night, then this morning I wouldn't get up as normal. My hubby wouldn't have gone to his important meeting and my sister wouldn't be at work. They'd be here, trying to calm down an extremely traumatised and hysterical me.

Likewise, an experience like that would mean I wouldn't be able to work for maybe weeks. Several years ago I had an unfortunate problem with an alcoholic, lonely, nasty neighbour, which culminated in him making an attempt to burn my flat down with me in, for which he was arrested and charged with breaching the peace. I am pretty sure he was too drunk to have been able to competently carry out his plan, indeed by the time the police arrived he still hadn't managed to ignite a thing, nonetheless it was very horrible and I wound up with Post-traumatic stress disorder. I was off work for two months. It's ok folks, it was a long time ago and I'm fine now :P

Now, imagine you've been taken from your bed in the night, amid blaring lights and weird noises, by faceless aliens, then taken into the sky, probed and poked, not knowing if you were going to die.

The next day you would be a gibbering mess in the corner. You'd be off work for months and you'd need counselling until you could face life again. You wouldn't want to leave the house, you wouldn't trust anyone, and you'd probably be screaming at every single law enforcement, government and media person you could get hold of. You'd never be the same again.

So, what I'm interested in is third party experiences of this. I don't trust the testimony of the abductees themselves, but has anyone ever heard of, or experienced themselves, a colleague not coming into work because they've been abducted; a hospital admission of an abductee; a police call-out to an hysterical, traumatised abductee, etc.

Alien abductions are one of the silliest claims around. However, what I find even more silly is that I can't find evidence that abductees were acting like abductees (imagine being abducted by terrorists and you'll get my meaning) in the immediate aftermath. The best I can find is "In general, people do not know when they were abducted and if they do remember, the memories tend to be very fragmentary." Leaving aside the questions that not knowing you were abducted raises (like 'huh?'), clearly people do remember, because there are so many claims. So even if the memory comes back to you at a later date, psychologically that would seem very recent and you'd react accordingly. You wouldn't think "oh, I just remembered I was anally probed. Oh well, it was ages ago, I'll just call the National Enquirer and have a cup of tea".
 
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tkingdoll said:
So, what I'm interested in is third party experiences of this. I don't trust the testimony of the abductees themselves, but has anyone ever heard of, or experienced themselves, a colleague not coming into work because they've been abducted; a hospital admission of an abductee; a police call-out to an hysterical, traumatised abductee, etc.
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I think that movie with D.B. Sweeney (and the book on which it was based) dealt with this very thing. Here it is: Fire in the Sky.
 
tkingdoll: I've thought the same thing when reading about similarities between the claims of 'alien abductees' and 'satanic abuse survivors'. Seems to me that they differ in an important way, in that there's no way of explaining why victims of alien abduction would keep quiet about it.

In the case of people gang-raped/impregnated/boiled by satanists, it does make a barmy kind of sense, because:
  1. They're usually children at the time of the 'events'.
  2. The story can be arranged so that the child's entire family/school/town has an interest in covering up what happened.
But with 'alien abductees' it's just, as you say, an enormous logical flaw.
 
One of the cornerstones of the alien abduction mythology is that the Greys are here covertly. They communicate telepathically and can read human thoughts. They have the ability to alter memory and routinely do so to abductees as part of their campaign of secrecy.

Abduction "researchers" like Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs believe that virtually all abductees have their memories of the event erased, resulting in "missing time" or have false "screen memories" implanted so that they dont suspect the truth of what has happened to them.

Much of the archetypal alien abduction scenario has been established by abduction researchers using hypnotic regression to "recover" lost or overwritten memories from people they suspect have been abducted. They use exactly the same techniques that other enthusiasts use to prove past lives, Satanic abuse or non ritual child sexual abuse.

Jacobs believes that abductions are lifelong and intergenerational. If you have been abducted, it will have been going on since childhood and at least one of your parents was before you. He believes that there is a longterm (over 100 years so far) program of selective crossbreeding between the Greys and and humans. Female abductees will be taken many times during their lives. Sometimes this will be to implant or remove hybrid embryos, and sometimes to socialization for maturing hybrids. The Greys are apparently unable to provide emotional guidance or support for hybrids.

FWIW here is Jacobs' abduction FAQ.

It boils down to:
Q: Why is there no evidence of alien abduction?
A: Because the sneaky aliens dont want us to have any.
 
Loss Leader said:
I think that movie with D.B. Sweeney (and the book on which it was based) dealt with this very thing. Here it is: Fire in the Sky.
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Interestingly, even most abduction proponents consider Travis Walton to be a liar and that his "abduction" was a hoax.

I think Phillip J Klass made a strong case against Walton's veracity in one of his books. IIRC He established that:

- The Walton family had a long history of hoaxing. On one occasion, when house sitting for a farming family, they phoned the homeowners and falsely told them all of their cattle had been killed. The farmers had drive over a hundred miles to discover the "joke".

- The forestry crew who were the eyewitnesses to the UFO were somewhat shady characters themselves. One was a convicted fraudster, another was later convicted of armed robbery.

- The forestry crew were well behind schedule with their contract, and facing financial ruin unless they could be released from it under an "Act of god" clause. (Walton's "abduction" qualified.)

- Walton's mother and brother seemed unconcerned at his disappearance and certain he would return.

- Walton was a long time UFO afficianado.

- A movie about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction was aired on local TV the week before Walton disappeared.

-The Waltons and the forestry crew received substantial payments from the National Enquirer for their stories.

- Walton's physical condition when found did not gibe with the conditions of his imprisonment as he described them.

In short a bunch of liars with strong financial inducements to lie, told a version of a story that was already becoming a part of popular mythology.
 
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Another thing about the "Fire in the Sky" story, is that the movie takes a great deal of dramatic license when presenting the Travis Walton abduction. All through the movie, the aliens are the rather like the "Greys", but in Walton's telling of the story, his encounter with the smaller aliens is rather brief, as he frightens them off with some sort of tool that he found on his room on the ship.

After that he wanders into another part of the ship where her ecounters aliens that are human like in appearance and they take him off and probe him, etc. He's later left on the side of the road and appears non the worse for his ordeal. From all that it really doesn't seem that he was overly traumatized by the event.
 
This is all just based on my own experiences.

The event is different from other stressful experiences. The strongest memories are of the knowledge that you've met aliens, rather than of the details of the experience. And that knowledge isn't horrifying, but rather surprising (holy cow, there really are aliens!), a bit scary (because you don't know what to expect), and a little exciting. The details get filled in later depending upon whether you allow yourself to be influenced by others. And as you get out of bed the next morning, the day has a surreal feel to it because you expect your life to be turned upside-down, but everything/everyone around you is proceeding in an ordinary manner. The whole experience is so foreign compared to any other kind of stressful situation, that you don't really know how you should react, so you end up just falling into your routine. 'Preoccupied' is perhaps the best description of my mental state the next day.

I think that what happens next depends upon what kind of person you are and what kind of information you stumble upon. It took me years and additional experiences to piece together what happened. But my skeptical nature led me down a different path than those who become wrapped up in the alien abduction movement.

Linda
 
Carnivore said:
Interestingly, even most abduction proponents consider Travis Walton to be a liar and that his "abduction" was a hoax.
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Well, I wasn't arguing that he was actually abducted, only that the movie (to my memory) dealt with the immediate aftermath of an alien abduction from the perspective of the individual and his family and friends.
 
fls said:
The event is different from other stressful experiences.
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Exactly. Why is it? I see no reason to think that a genuine alien abduction of this kind, or the realisation/sudden memory of it would provoke anything but the same sort of reaction as any other abduction, e.g. terrorist.
 
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Carnivore said:
It boils down to:
Q: Why is there no evidence of alien abduction?
A: Because the sneaky aliens dont want us to have any.
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If the aliens don't want us to know that they're here, why do they always cover their ships with bright flashing lights?

Steve S
 
tkingdoll said:
Exactly. Why is it? I see no reason to think that a genuine alien abduction of this kind, or the realisation/sudden memory of it would provoke anything but the same sort of reaction as any other abduction, e.g. terrorist.
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I'm just giving an honest description of what it feels like. I think it would require a more concerted effort on my part to really convey the feeling. I understand that because you expect something else it adds to the general unbelievability, but as someone who's experienced the same thing that others describe, the (lack of) reaction makes sense to me.

If what I wrote already doesn't suggest how it is different, then maybe I need to consider a more detailed description. But I'm supposed to be doing a bunch of other stuff, so I can't promise anything right now. :)

Linda
 
In the immediate aftermath I would probably be complaining of how much my rectum hurts.
 
If I were abducted by aliens and could provide proof, I would allow them to probe me all they want. I'd be rich beyond the dreams of avarice when I got back... plus I'd know aliens exist. How cool would that be?

However, I don't think it's worth betting on. :-)
 
Loss Leader said:
I think that movie with D.B. Sweeney (and the book on which it was based) dealt with this very thing. Here it is: Fire in the Sky.
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Ithink I have that somewhere on dvd - I'll see if I can dig it out. I never watched it - I should have perhaps........... :eek:;)
 
The reason why people don't wake up the next morning, scared out of their minds, is because they don't "remember" having being abducted the night before. Those "memories" come later.

Susan Clancy writes in her book "Abducted - How People Come to Believe They Were Abducted by Aliens":

When I was first recruiting subjects for my study of alien abductees, I assumed that people wouldn't answer my ad unless they had actual memories of being abducted. I mean, the ad read: "Have you been abducted by aliens?" Why would you answer it if you didn't have any such memories? On what other basis would you think you'd been abducted? But as it turned out, most people who answered the ad merely believed thed'd been abducted: in fact, they had no detailed personal memories of their abduction experience.

An initial phone screening would reveal that, yes, they though they'd been abducted by aliens, so we would set up an interview at my office. The first question I'd ask would be, "How old were you when you had your first memory of being abducted by aliens?" "Oh, I don't have memories," they'd say. I was amazed. "You don't have any memories of the experience? Why not?"

Because, I was told, their memories had been rendered inaccessible. Some said the reason was that the aliens "erased my memories" or "the beings programmed the experience to be forgotten." A few believed (like some victoms of childhood sexual abuse) that what had happened to them was simply too traumatic to be consciously available: the experience was "too awful for my mind to hand it, so I repressed it." Whatever the mechanism endorsed, the consequence was the same: there were no personal memories of the abduction.

But if they didn't have any memories of being abducted by aliens, then why did they believe they'd been abducted in the first place?

Everybody I spoke with had one thing in common: they'd begun to wonder if they'd been abducted only after they experienced they felt were anomalous - weird, abnormal, unusual things. The experiences varied from person to person. They ranged from specific events ("I wondered why my pajamas were on the floor when I woke up") to symptoms ("I've been having so many nosebleeds - I never had nosebleeds") to marks on the body ("I wondered where I got the coin-shaped bruises on my back") to more of less fixed personality traits ("I feel different from other people, a loner - like I'm always on the outside looking in"). Sometimes they included all of the above. Through widely varied, the experiences resulted in the same general question: "What could be the cause?" In short, it appears that coming to believe you've been abducted by aliens is part of an attribution process. Alien-abduction beliefs reflect attempts to explain odd, unusual, and perplexing experiences."
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Note the explanation why they can't remember: The memories have been erased - not by fault of their own, but either because they were victims, or because the aliens had done it. One of the weakest points in their stories suddenly becomes a strong piece of evidence.

It is the "Dragon in My Garage" all over again: Every probing question is met with a special explanation that strengthens the story. The special explanations are accepted because once you have given up your critical thinking in one area, what's to stop you from giving it up in other areas?

If you can believe that you have been abducted by aliens, you can easily believe the explanations why your story sounds extremely fishy. You are more than willing to listen to those who feed your budding beliefs, because they are willing to buy into them.

That's why the "hypnotherapists" who specialize in alien abductions have it easy: They are very eager to plant the idea that their bewildered clients really have been abducted by aliens. They have simply tapped into a market where they can't lose.
 
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