(Ed) Fetzer claims JREF Forum Members afraid to debate him

[Aqua323]

In his 10/30/07 GCN show, Fetzer claimed that he had arranged with someone called Ronald Wieck to have a moderated debate on the Pentagon, with JREF members.

He says that because he asked for a format in which the JREF members have a fixed position to defend, nobody here will debate him and that you are all scared of real debate.

 

[Skibum]

I'm sure Ronald Wieck himself will be along shortly to clear up your questions.

 

[qarnos]

In his 10/30/07 GCN show, Fetzer claimed that he had arranged with someone called Ronald Wieck to have a moderated debate on the Pentagon, with JREF members.

He says that because he asked for a format in which the JREF members have a fixed position to defend, nobody here will debate him and that you are all scared of real debate.

What, exactly, does "fixed position to defend" mean?

 

[Pardalis]

Shouldn't Fetzer just create an account and post here?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I'm sure Ronald Wieck himself will be along shortly to clear up your questions.

That aside for the moment, Fetzer's statement amounts to nothing more than argumentum ad ignoratium. He appears to think that because his "challenge" is "unanswered" that is somehow lends strength to his claims. It does not.

 

[qarnos]

Shouldn't Fetzer just create an account and post here?

Because then he can't make up crazy rules in order to avoid having to produce any evidence!

 

[332nd]

What, exactly, does "fixed position to defend" mean?

I'm guessing that it means something like anyone from here debating him must stick to say WTC 7 collapsing due to fire and is not allowed to mention the 110 story building that hit it, while he is free to ramble.

 

[JamesB]

Uhh, isn't it the conspiracy theorists who would be required to have a fixed position, instead of their cruise missile\Skywarrior\Javelin anti-tank missile\car bomb\cordite bomb\no plane theories?

I think it is pretty obvious what the debunker position would be regarding what hit the Pentagon.

"It was American Airlines flight 77, end of story".

 

[Aqua323]

I'm guessing that it means something like anyone from here debating him must stick to say WTC 7 collapsing due to fire and is not allowed to mention the 110 story building that hit it, while he is free to ramble.

What part of my opening post did you not understand? It's a debate on the Pentagon.

The fixed position means that the JREF members must present evidence of the positive claim that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, rather than just challenging Fetzer's view.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I should also point out that Fetzer is (again?) conflating JREF membership with JREF forum membership and, possibly, with being a representative of JREF or the JREF Forums.

 

[DGM]

What part of my opening post did you not understand? It's a debate on the Pentagon.

The fixed position means that the JREF members must present evidence of the positive claim that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, rather than just challenging Fetzer's view.

Does anybody really care what Fetzer has to say?

 

[Aqua323]

Is anyone prepared to do the debate? Apparently, Mr Weick was happy with the terms that Fetzer asked for.

 

[Pardalis]

Ask Fetzer to post here.

 

[Sparky]

Is anyone prepared to do the debate? Apparently, Mr Weick was happy with the terms that Fetzer asked for.

If no one else wants to do it I suppose I'll give it a go. How much time do I have for preparation?

 

[Drudgewire]

Is anyone prepared to do the debate? Apparently, Mr Weick was happy with the terms that Fetzer asked for.

I'll do it, but only if in lieu of actually commenting I can conduct the entire debate with an Andrew Dice Clay soundboard.

 

[DGM]

Is anyone prepared to do the debate? Apparently, Mr Weick was happy with the terms that Fetzer asked for.

Everyones prepared! The question should be, does anyone want to?
Did you see the Hardfire debate between him and Gravy?

 

[HyJinX]

Aqua, what are your thoughts on Jim Fetzer? Do you subscribe to any of his alternative theories? If so, which ones?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Learn to use the Search functionality on the forums:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96916&highlight=hardfire
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95877&highlight=hardfire <--- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skibum]

Is anyone prepared to do the debate? Apparently, Mr Weick was happy with the terms that Fetzer asked for.

I learned long ago that it was pointless to debate mental patients.

 

[Aqua323]

Aqua, what are your thoughts on Jim Fetzer? Do you subscribe to any of his alternative theories? If so, which ones?

That is not the subject of the thread. Personally, I think Fetzer is a loon, but im just passing on the message.