Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

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Foster Zygote said:
"Dr." Carl Baugh's claims are about as well thought out as Velikovsky's.
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That bad? :jaw-dropp

linusrichard said:
Number of stars:
Genesis 22:17
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies"
(So... a lot? There's no way ancient people could have known there were a lot of stars without divine guidance? When exactly did humans master the scientific art of "looking up"?)
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More to the point - if we were to be multiplied "as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore" we'd take up far more space than is actually available on the planet! :rolleyes:
 
DOC how is it you have been here so long and posted so many times without learning anything? Please for the benefit of yourself, and those you talk to, read up on the basics of critical thinking, logic, skepticism, and fallacies.

I guess you can't teach ALL old dogs new tricks.

Also God does not take the waters from earth and make them rain down from the heavens. God doesn't do anything. It's a natural scientific principal that has nothing to do with God.
 
DOC said:
I believe it certainly could predict Television because the only possible way people from all over the world could watch an event for 3 and a half days is by television. For example the pope's funeral and events that led up to it had almost non stop coverage for days on CNN. This would have been impossible at the time of the vision of John.

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And I remember reading something about George Washington saying to not bury his body for several days to make sure he was dead.
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So maybe George Washington thought he was half a pair of prophets?

People from every nation could watch an event if a couple of prophets dropped dead on the floor of the General Assembly of the United Nations, and
bioterrorism was suspected, resulting in a quarantine, and on the third day the delegate from Haiti remembered he had some zombie dust in his wallet. Are you sure that isn't what the Bible is predicting? Doesn't it say people from every nation, rather than people in every nation? Maybe it's a Siggraph convention.
 
DOC said:
I believe it certainly could predict Television because the only possible way people from all over the world could watch an event for 3 and a half days is by television.
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Heh, and the passages just before that predict the invention of Tabasco sauce (the lines where the prophets are breathing fire out of their mouths). Yeah, you really can read anything into the bible. :rolleyes:
 
H3LL said:
In the DOC's link, "Dr" Henry Morris (is this idiot you DOC?) does not provide links to his scripture, nor does he quote them.
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I presume this is THE Henry Morris, PhD, deceased (not DOC, I presume), past president of the Institute for Creation Research (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/28/AR2006022801716.html) and "Darwin of the creationist movement". Henry was a hydraulic engineer of distinction with standard hydraulics texts to his credit that are used to this day. Unfortunately, he decided to apply his knowledge to the Great Flood, and never looked back. Reputedly a very nice fellow to know, as is Philip Johnson, the founder of ID.

Incidently, NOVA has done a 90 minute program on ID including a re-enactment of the Delaware trial; it ought to be a hum-dinger, as anyone who has read the transcript of the trial might anticipate. They have prequel matter about it (including an interview with Philips) at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html, and the program will be viewable after Nov 14.
 
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Source of Energy for Earth
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His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
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...eh?

Atomic Disintegration
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But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness...
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...are you serious?
 
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Incidently, NOVA has done a 90 minute program on ID including a re-enactment of the Delaware trial; it ought to be a hum-dinger, as anyone who has read the transcript of the trial might anticipate. They have prequel matter about it (including an interview with Philips) at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html, and the program will be viewable after Nov 14.
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Friend, if you have ever thought about starting a thread the above would be an excellent starting point. (See my sig)
 
Hi, DOC.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer NO, you halfwitted delusional pitiful lunatic, now would you please try to get in touch with the real world, y'know, the one that exists and that you actually live in?
 
wollery said:
More to the point - if we were to be multiplied "as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore" we'd take up far more space than is actually available on the planet! :rolleyes:
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But surely that is your Sekrit Jooish Plan?
 
Dr Adequate said:
Long answer NO, you halfwitted delusional pitiful lunatic, now would you please try to get in touch with the real world, y'know, the one that exists and that you actually live in?
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I wish you would speak your mind and stop beating around the bush.

Tut!

;)
 
DOC said:
I believe it certainly could predict Television because the only possible way people from all over the world could watch an event for 3 and a half days is by television. For example the pope's funeral and events that led up to it had almost non stop coverage for days on CNN. This would have been impossible at the time of the vision of John.
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That's not a prediction any more than if you take the passage from
1 Thessalonians 4:14
We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
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And then in a million years scientists invent an anti-gravity machine and some lunatic claims that because Jesus "rose" that the Bible predicted that.
And because they "fell asleep" it predicted hypnosis and anaesthesia and insomnia medications. And because they fell asleep "in him" the Bible predicted the film Fantastic Voyage.

Taking words stupidly out of context may be fun, but it has no bearing on reality. Sorry.
 
DOC said:
Here's a site that claims the Bible taught the Big Bang first?

Go to Big Bang - The Bible taught it first (Spanish Edition)

http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue03/index.shtml#big_bang_the_bible_taught_it_first
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Interesting though to be fair it does appear to be a list of bible quotations selectively chosen as suitable candidates for retrofitting into current scientific understanding rather than an actual teaching of the big bang.

I don't remember any theologians suggesting an expanding universe at any point in the 6000 years prior to Einsteins theory of General Relativity. Though George Lemaitre was indeed a Jesuit Priest he was also a scientist and it appears that his inspiration for his theories was not scripture but relativistic theory.

So on the whole, no the bible is very clear on creation, - God did it in 24hours some time in the last 10,000 years. Various references to God "steching out the universe" even if I could be bothered to cross reference them to see if they're not just creative translations don't mean that the big bang was predicted from biblical sources. Certanly nothing in there is rigorous enought to be of any scientific value even if the bible could be considered a reliable source.
 
DOC said:
I believe it certainly could predict Television because the only possible way people from all over the world could watch an event for 3 and a half days is by television. For example the pope's funeral and events that led up to it had almost non stop coverage for days on CNN. This would have been impossible at the time of the vision of John.

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And I remember reading something about George Washington saying to not bury his body for several days to make sure he was dead.
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Erm if we met a Picadilly circus and I pulled youir trousers down people from all over the world would see it. People from all over the known world gathered in large metropolises in the time of John, This might equally be interpretted as talking about navigation, jet travel, the UN or the Internet or any number of unreal supernatual effects acceptable to those who can concieve of people living inside whales or floods that cover the entire world.

This only counts as a prediction for television of prior to Logi Baird's inventions Theologians were stating that the end times couldn't come about because the technology for these predictions hadn't been inveted yet. If theologians suggested that cathode rays, radio broadcasts and satalite links were involve prior to these being known to science.
 
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DOC said:
I definitely wouldn't say quite nicely. If there is a clear concise argument about a hoax bring it in.
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You could always read it.

Carl Baugh was caught carving toes onto dinosaur footprints and trying to pass them off as human footprints. That's what's referred to as a "hoax".
 
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