Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

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Ha ha ha ha ha!

One of the claims is that precipitation was unknown at the time the bible was written. Yeah, like it never rained back then.

Ooh and snow was unheard of.

And cavemen! Wait, I thought fundamentalists didn't believe in cave men.

This site really is too funny.
 
Yes, but how many people knew that the rain initially came from the earth.

Job 36 verse 27. -- It is God who takes water from the earth and turns it into drops of rain. (Todays English Version)
 
Wrong. You are using a version of the bible that has been reinterpreted to more closely match what has been learned recently. From the original KJV:

Job 36:27 said:
For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:
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You aren't very good at this whole "research" thing, are you?

And you have clearly proven that cave men did exist! Go Neandertals!
 
Actually, even though Moses (the supposed author of Genesis) probably never took a science course or had access to a telescope he seemed to know a lot about modern scientific theory.

Here is what I heard Dr. Carl Baugh talk about one time on his TV program:


Genesis 1:1a - the universe came first

Genesis 1:1b - then the earth

Gen 1:10 - then land and sea

Gen 1:21 - then life in the sea

Gen 1;24-25 - then land animals

Gen 1:27 - lastly humans

Also other biblical writers had other unusual scientific knowledge of such things as evaporation, condensation, a time when there was no precipitation. and that the earth hung suspended in space. Gen 2: 6,7 , Eccl 1:7 , Isa 40:22 , Job 26:7
 
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Wrong. You are using a version of the bible that has been reinterpreted to more closely match what has been learned recently. From the original KJV


Job 36:27

For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:
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Well, if you don't like that explanation of rain, how about this one.

Psalms 135 verse 7 KJV

HE causeth the vapours to "ascend" from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain;
 
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Let me illustrate what they were talking about. This is how the ancient Israelites pictured the water cycle:

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Endless waters above created by god which fall through windows in the sky to drain into the Great Deep. Very sciencey, eh DOC? Or is this still a few centuries too advanced for you?
 
I prefer all the science stuff that god either didn't know about or was too mean to tell.

The number zero would have been a nice start. No special equipment needed.

Great link. I love the way that they actually think this makes sense:

Such a list confirms that the Scriptures are scientifically credible. It further confirms that the Scriptures were supernaturally inspired.
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I'm off to do some experiments with Gravity Pixies*.

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* Tiny pixies that grab hold of everything and pull them down. i.e. Bullets don't immediately drop out of the end of the gun as it takes a while for the pixies to catch up and grab the bullet. Faster bullets make it more difficult. I'm developing a faster than pixie weapon. Copyright H3LL 2007
 
The Bible supposedly talks about the TV in Revelations. The relevant verses read:

For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
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In the DOC's link, "Dr" Henry Morris (is this idiot you DOC?) does not provide links to his scripture, nor does he quote them.

The reason is because he is a lying, liar and, I assume, expects the faithful to take his word for it:

I just looked at the biology section. I haven't done the others as all the lies and distortions just got me annoyed. Someone else may want to take the time to look at his other lies.

Here we go - Lying for Jesus: From the link:

Biology






Blood Circulation - Leviticus 17:11 - LIE - No mention of circulation -
11For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.​

Psychotherapy - Proverbs 16:24; 17:22 - LIE - No therapy and the heart has nothing to do with emotions or behaviour.
24Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.​
22A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.​

Biogenesis and Stability - Genesis 1:11,21,25 - LIE - Nothing in the science of biogenesis says god did anything.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.​
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.​
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.​

Uniqueness of Man - Genesis 1:26 - LIE - When is the dominion over viruses and bacteria going to happen then? Still waiting.....
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

Chemical Nature of Flesh - Genesis 1:11 - LIE - No chemicals or flesh mentioned - Lots of veggies though.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.​

Chemical Nature of Flesh - Genesis 24-2:7 - LIE - Here we have those famous and useful chemicals popular in medicine - "Dust" and "Mist". - How would science manage without them.
Find the scripture HERE. There is enough garbage in this post as it is.​

Chemical Nature of Flesh - 3:19 - LIE - More of that chemical, "Dust".
19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.​

Cave-men - Job 12:23-25; 30:3-8 - LIE - A wilderness is a cave now. Well bats are birds, apparently, so wildernesses being caves is just as plausible.
23He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again.​
24He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.​
25They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.​
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Well DOC - Utter, utter drivel in your link. Did you actually bother to read it or even check even one of the bible quotes.

Even more bizarre is that you didn't expect anyone here to look.

Even being very, very generous I found it impossible to make any lucid connections between the bible quotes and the science.

Try this book - it has all the real science in the Bible - You can preview it.

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DOC said:
Genesis 1:1a - the universe came first

Genesis 1:1b - then the earth

Gen 1:10 - then land and sea
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That is hardly rocket science. First of all, there is no mention of a universe, just that there is a void. Which is rather obvious if you are to describe the beginning of the world.

Then Earth appears in that void. Simple logic.

Then land and sea appears on Earth, where or when else could it appear? There had to be somewhere for it to appear.

Gen 1:21 - then life in the sea

Gen 1;24-25 - then land animals
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You conviniently ignore that birds are mentioned together with sea animals ;).

Gen 1:27 - lastly humans
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Well, maybe somebody had already figured out evolution. After all, they were cattle breeders.

Also other biblical writers had other unusual scientific knowledge of such things as evaporation, condensation, a time when there was no precipitation.
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At what?? At what time was there no precipitation????

Why shouldn't ancient people have quite some knowledge about evaporation and condensation? Don't you think they observed what happened when they boiled water?

and that the earth hung suspended in space.
Gen 2: 6,7 , Eccl 1:7 , Isa 40:22 , Job 26:7
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That is a very generous interpretation.

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However, the main failure of this line of argument is that it assumes that ancient humans were completely ignorant beasts. They were not. They had exactly the same brains as we have (and since you must be a creationist, I double dare you to imply otherwise ;) ).

At the time of the writing of the OT, they had invented ceramics (millienna earlier, in fact), built multi-storey buildings, developed simple metallurgy, quite advanced chemistry, had probably invented galvanic plating, were writing books (goes without saying, really), mastered fairly advanced math, and had complex (if somewhat flawed) knowledge of astronomy.

Why exactly should we be surprised if they had some insights in science that were later confirmed by modern research?

Why should we assume they needed divine help for that?

Hans
 
DOC said:
Well, if you don't like that explanation of rain, how about this one.

Psalms 135 verse 7 KJV

HE causeth the vapours to "ascend" from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain;
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Lessee. Somebody figured that rain had to coem from somewhere. He noticed that when a pot with water boiled on the heath, the water disappeared from it, cloud-like vapour billowed up, and condensation collected on things above. He then wen outside, saw the rain-clouds, and figured: Hey! God must be boiling a lot of water somewhere!

Yeah, no mortal human could ever have gotten that thought, that's for sure :rolleyes:.

..... Wait! I just did! Does that make me divine?

Hans
 
So, to the question in the OP, "Is science getting closer to God and the Bible?":

There are really two answers:

1) No, it's the other way around: Now that science has found the real answers, bible scolars are desperately trying to reinterpret scripture to hang on.

2) Yes, science is getting closer to God and the Bible: Science is finding the truths that God and the Bible used to pretend to have.

Hans
 
DOC said:
Actually, even though Moses (the supposed author of Genesis) probably never took a science course or had access to a telescope he seemed to know a lot about modern scientific theory.

Here is what I heard Dr. Carl Baugh talk about one time on his TV program:


Genesis 1:1a - the universe came first

Genesis 1:1b - then the earth

Gen 1:10 - then land and sea

Gen 1:21 - then life in the sea

Gen 1;24-25 - then land animals

Gen 1:27 - lastly humans

Also other biblical writers had other unusual scientific knowledge of such things as evaporation, condensation, a time when there was no precipitation. and that the earth hung suspended in space. Gen 2: 6,7 , Eccl 1:7 , Isa 40:22 , Job 26:7
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Or Genesis 1:1 The Earth First
Genesis 1:2 Then light
Genesis 1:11 Then Plants
Genesis 1:16 Then the sun and the moon
Genesis 1:27 Then men and women
Genesis 2:7 Then a Man again
Genesis 2:19 Then animals again
Genesis 2:22 Then a Woman again

Can you really suggest such a self contradictory just so story is the parallel of empirical knowledge. That's as big as lie as when your God said "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"
 
H3LL said:
I'm off to do some experiments with Gravity Pixies*.

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* Tiny pixies that grab hold of everything and pull them down. i.e. Bullets don't immediately drop out of the end of the gun as it takes a while for the pixies to catch up and grab the bullet. Faster bullets make it more difficult. I'm developing a faster than pixie weapon. Copyright H3LL 2007
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Gravity pixies?!?!?! Get real. Everyone knows gravity is caused by His Noodliness, pressing down on every single thing with his noodly appendages.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Gravity pixies?!?!?! Get real. Everyone knows gravity is caused by His Noodliness, pressing down on every single thing with his noodly appendages.
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Close, but you're missing the important part.

The FSM is attempting to grab everything with his noodly appendages in order to bring them up into his Holy Pastaness. Gravity Pixies are the fallen angels of FSMology and prevent the rightful ascension of all things into their deserved glory where they will be seated next to the Virgin Marinara.
 
DOC said:
I came across this site that claims many scientific principles were actually presented first in the bible.
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What you have here, DOC, is a hydraulic engineer who is (1) speaking outside his area of expertise and (2) redefining science to suit his purposes. He's fitting the facts to his theory rather than properly fitting his theory to the facts.

I would not recommend this man as a reliable or authoritative source.
 
DOC said:
Actually, even though Moses (the supposed author of Genesis) probably never took a science course or had access to a telescope he seemed to know a lot about modern scientific theory.

Here is what I heard Dr. Carl Baugh talk about one time on his TV program:


Genesis 1:1a - the universe came first

Genesis 1:1b - then the earth

Gen 1:10 - then land and sea
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Then the Sun and Moon.


Just like in astronomy!
 
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