Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

Ion said:
Fishy,
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Yes, Irony?

you mean that you have a hard time to follow the topic:
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You may want to work on your grammatical skills, but, no, I don't mean that at all. I mean exactly what I implied. You veered off just to cast general slurs on the JREF forums participants. Here's an example, and thank you for providing it.

I say that people who post support for Bush's endeavors in this alleged skeptics forum are religious moles.
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jsfisher said:
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You may want to work on your grammatical skills,...
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Who? Me?

No way.


Rather you "...may want to work on your..." analyical skills which are gravely lacking in life:

people supporting Bush's endeavors in a skeptics forum are religious moles.
 
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I saw this post -supporting my stance-:
madurobob said:
Curious. Mussolini defined fascism thusly:
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...the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century
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Replace "fascist" with "conservative" above and I would have no trouble believing those words came from Coulter, Hannity, Robertson, Cheney, etc...

"Islamofacism" is pure hyperbole and intended to incite hatred and fear while simultaneously hindering true open discourse. Nice.
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in the thread Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96831

In this thread I stated my stance that Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism have things in common.

Mussolini's quote proves it.

I think the threat to world's civilization that U.S.S.R. was posing in the 80s, is now being posed by U.S. Capitalism and Islamic fundamentalist ethnities.
 
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# 3. Develop a thug caste
# 4. Set up an internal surveillance system
# 5. Harass citizens' groups
# 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
# 7. Target key individuals
# 8. Control the press
# 9. Dissent equals treason
# 10. Suspend the rule of law

Right at number 3 it gets difficult, because without some extremely believable propaganda supporting an ideology which requires this imprisonment/harassment of the general population for some reason. In the USA this would be difficult because the military is volunteer and our economy is not absolutely hopeless. It would be difficult to find enough people motivated to do such a thing.
The other problem is who does this benefit? Having your population imprisoned doesn't make the government more powerful, it takes away valuable members of the workforce and creates civil unrest. If it wasn't safe for you to leave your home because of either rioters or government thugs, commerce would shut down. Tax revenue would grind to a halt.
A dictator who tried by your method would soon become a prison warden, charged with either killing or feeding an entire nation without the benefit of tax revenue.

The easier path to tyranny is to couch all of your new laws with some reason why it would be cruel not to pass the legislation. You can ban smoking because children breathe air, you can ban freedom of association because of some tiny minority of pedophiles exchanging photos, you can remove free speech because some people say ugly things.
If you do it slowly enough, each measure will seem to make sense, and it will have more firmly established legal precedents.
 
ChaoticLimbs said:
# 3. Develop a thug caste
# 4. Set up an internal surveillance system
# 5. Harass citizens' groups
# 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
# 7. Target key individuals
# 8. Control the press
# 9. Dissent equals treason
# 10. Suspend the rule of law

Right at number 3 it gets difficult, because without some extremely believable propaganda supporting an ideology which requires this imprisonment/harassment of the general population for some reason. In the USA this would be difficult because the military is volunteer and our economy is not absolutely hopeless. It would be difficult to find enough people motivated to do such a thing.
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Nah.

I posted earlier exactly your "...extremely believable propaganda supporting an ideology which requires this imprisonment/harassment of the general population...", when I posted in this thread the U.S. right-wing agenda.
Bush II is a temporary pawn in it, others started it, Bush II and his successors implement it.
Note that U.S. has the highest population on earth in trouble with the law -1 adult in 32- (hence your "...imprisonment/harassment of the general population..." takes place), not for political reasons since the Americans in Capitalism don't have a social conscience, but Capitalism is the cause of social unrest in U.S..

Read it first.

Talk afterwards.

Not before.


Today's The San Diego Union Tribune writes on page A21:

"Torture complaint
European rights groups filed a legal complaint in France accusing former U.S. Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of responsability for torture in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay.
The complaint was filled with the Paris prosecutor's office as Rumsfeld arrived in France for a visit, according to the Berlin-based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights and two Paris-based groups, the International Fedaration of Human Rights and the League of Human Rights."

You shouldn't deny Fascist practices by U.S..

So much for Bush deriding "...old Europe..." in 2003:

Bush resorts to old Fascism to lecture and grandstand "...old Europe..." which evolved way past Fascism since 1940s.

I can't wait until Bush is out of the office, and like Rumsfeld now, becoming prone to lawsuits for his Fascism.
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The other problem is who does this benefit? Having your population imprisoned doesn't make the government more powerful, it takes away valuable members of the workforce and creates civil unrest...
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Rich American lobbies.

Not the American people at large, who according to the polls, overwhelmingly reject the war.

The San Diego Union Tribune of Sunday September 30 2007 writes:

"Conservatives flexing wallets with group
Freedom's Watch finds raising voice
By Don Van Natta Jr.
NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

Freedom's Watch, a deep pocketed conservative group began a $15 million advertising campaign destined to maintain congressional support for President Bush's troop increase in Iraq.
The nonprofit group is set apart from most advocacy groups by the immense wealth of its core group of benefactors, its intention to far outspend its rivals and its ambition to pursue a wide-ranging agenda.
Its next target: Iran.
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Some members have advocated a more confrontational policy with Iraq...
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"If Hitler's warnings were heeded when he wrote 'Mein Kampf' he could have been stopped," said Bradley Blakeman...
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"Ahmadinejad...wants the destruction of United States and the destruction of Israel."
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The idea for Freedom's Watch was hatched at the winter meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition in Manalapan, Fla., where Vice President Dick Cheney was the keynote speaker.
One benefactor who spoke on condition of anonimity, said the group was hoping to raise as much as $200 million by Novemeber 2008. Raising big money "will be easy," the benefactor said, adding that several of the founders each wrote a check for $1 million...
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But many of its donors and organizers, including Ari Fleischer, a former White House press secretary, are well-connected to the administration...
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Note how it hijacks blaming Mein Kampf on others but not on themselves, note the Republican Jewish Coalition and speaker Cheney, note its concentrated wealth that it pursues, note Ari Fleischer, the U.S. Fascist who worked for the White House, in this.

This Jewish lobby is not the only lobby pursuing the U.S. Fascist right-wing agenda which Bush II is implementing right now, there are plenty of Christian right Fascist lobbies pursuing the U.S. Fascist right-wing agenda with bribes to the government.
 
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Thanks Skeptigirl for abandoning this thread to the loon.

Care to answer my questions now (on page two) ?
 
Pardalis said:
Thanks Skeptigirl for abandoning this thread to the loon.
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And who is your so-called "...loon..."?

Answer and justify with evidence your name calling, or be exposed as a troll.



(I am fed up with right wingers like Pardalis who lack responsability, but are full of hypocrisy.

In this thread, in this post -typical of how he is-, he singled out Skeptigirl in order to attack her without evidence supporting him on October 12:
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Maybe they, like Skeptigirl, gobble up anything that comes from a liberal source as gospel truth and don't bother to check if that source has any viable knowledge of political science and history to be making such a list in the first place?

Paris Hilton's grocery list would have been as much informative.
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but in this post from October 28:
Pardalis said:
Thanks Skeptigirl for abandoning this thread to the loon.
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he denies himself regarding the attack on Skeptigirl and tries to make up for a buddy coalition with her, in order to single out a so-called "...loon..." for another unsupported attack.

That's hypocrisy in plain view.)
 
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Ion said:
No.

But the danger to today's peace are right wingers.

Not left wingers.

To each their dues in time and circumstances.
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Must be nice to live it a world where things are so clearly polar and monolithic. None of that pesky gray. I'd bet the sun sets and rises quickly for you, too.
 
Pardalis said:
Says the one who edits his posts twenty minutes after the fact.
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The administrators and me, we consider editing within a time frame -2 hours I think- as valid.

Complain to the administrators.

But no, you won't complain either, you troll only.




Nowhere do I see your perceived "...loon..." and evidence.

You troll hypocritically.
 
jsfisher said:
Must be nice to live it a world where things are so clearly polar and monolithic. None of that pesky gray. I'd bet the sun sets and rises quickly for you, too.
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Well, it's nice.

You lost your innocence.

The innocence of right and wrong that kids have.

Adults are often corrupt.
Physically (becoming overweight) and intellectually (becoming cowards).

I maintain my kid innocence.

Waring and stuffing wealth after throwing lies like Fascist America does, that's a clear cut wrong.
 
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