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Is that right?
Sorry, edge--I'm currently helping someone write a history book, and that's taking most of my time. I'll be glad to make suggestions if you want, though.
Dowsing by edge - Part III
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Ah, the parallels: Edge is trying to rewrite history also - with his new law of physics.
Edge, screw those peasant pennies of those challenges issued by the organized skeptical movement.
According to your brillant research, you have discovered a new law of physics. You should let yourself nominated, nay, demand a Nobel Prize.
Because you have discovered a new law of physics.
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Dropping in on this thread is like visiting an old friend in the country.
You drop by, sit on a rocker on the porch, say something along the lines of, "So, how's it going?"
You get a reply of, "same o, same o".
Yep, nothings changed, see you next week.
You drop by, sit on a rocker on the porch, say something along the lines of, "So, how's it going?"
You get a reply of, "same o, same o".
Yep, nothings changed, see you next week.
Yep do ya think they want changes?
It's been asked, (simple question) by two different people and myself twice, read above, or below or out back, and still no reply.
Well I'll be moseying to the other site.
Edge, screw those peasant pennies of those challenges issued by the organized skeptical movement.
According to your brillant research, you have discovered a new law of physics. You should let yourself be nominated, nay, demand a Nobel Prize.
Because you have discovered a new law of physics.
According to your brillant research, you have discovered a new law of physics. You should let yourself be nominated, nay, demand a Nobel Prize.
Because you have discovered a new law of physics.
One step at a time.
Funny how all of a sudden no 0ne wants to accept me for the challenge with what I have learned about dowsing.
They now stand a high chance of losing the bet, since physicists say there is no way to measure the force of dowsing?
I have the for sure way of proving it and now no skeptical organization is willing to even test or talk to me.
You notice by some of the e-mails that I posted that they all talk behind the scenes?
And to they talked to JREF and James in particular?
I’m not going to reveal my latest scores that might scare them forever.
But I will say this that I will find a group that’s more unbiased to do the next test on me.
Some one or some academic school that can give credible reports on it.
Some one who’s interested in the science behind it that doesn’t want Hollywood involved and has no money too lose on a bet.
The *IIG still owes me an explanation which should be interesting to say the least, ( how are they going to squirm out of a challenge).
You should get a prize for the longest winded repeditive remarks GzuzKryzt.
FramerDave
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There, fixed that for you.
The L on your head explains it, Loser...
Pophoff says,
The only squirming we saw was yours, it was you not coming up with the simple protocol needed for the test. All you came up with was one sidestep after another.
Paul
You are such a liar because I still am trying.
I had four protocols and none of them would satisfy you,
Except the very first one which would have been a loss for me.
S.F.O. and take a hike.
Edge, your inability to come up with a protocol is all over the MDC sub-forum for all to see.
I suspect it's more your inability to specify exactly what you claim you can do and your waffling on about irrelevant nonsense when supposedly negotiating a simple double blind protocol which causes people to wish to not waste their time on you not anything you have "learned" about dowsing.
I suspect it's more your inability to specify exactly what you claim you can do and your waffling on about irrelevant nonsense when supposedly negotiating a simple double blind protocol which causes people to wish to not waste their time on you not anything you have "learned" about dowsing.
Your fish tales are not scaring but boring, mon overwhelmed and undereducated ami.
One Million Dollars couldn't make you come up with a protocol. Instead you kept on rambling. It is for everyone to see documented in this thread.
Bullspit!
They took out 22 pages out of the other post I created to hide what was going on as I wrote my rebuttals and stated what I needed which was based on many experiments and testing as I learned and as I went along with the building of a workable protocol.
One that would win….
What are they hiding?
Because now, no one can make heads or tails out of that thread or read into how they did what they did, which was back out with a lame excuse that they couldn’t understand what I was writing and it was taking too long and any other excuse they could muster to not test me now.
WTF are they hiding because one their excuse was bickering??? That goes on in here all the time and is quit common.
When they asked me to go to Japan they thought that I was going to do the test in a studio, I asked that we do it, if we were going to do it the same as in their office, that we do it in a limestone quarry.
I still haven’t proved that, that on enough thickness of limestone the ground would be neutral to spread out ten containers at once, I was taking a major risk with an un-proven theory.
That was unacceptable.
That was the first time they turned me down.
I have always said I need neutrality of the ground or a spot that I could have clarity I even explained as I went along what I was learning as I was learning how to test and win.
We even got past this,
In Spektators’ words so you can understand. Since you guys have reading comprehension issues L.M.A.O...
What I now found out, and I’m right about this, that after the target is removed from the one spot, that we must hesitate a few minutes.
This is how I get a much higher score now.
That was in the original protocol as I theorized before knowing for sure.
Now I know for sure and this all takes time to do.
A another excuse by them was time as a limit which they carefully would not allow, this was one of the things I gave into, was to eliminate that hesitation of time in the test.
There are (Variants in the gravitational field) when the target is moved on and off the same spot a slight catch 22.
SezMe even tested me to see and clarify for all of you, what I had learned about measuring the force.
Then they wanted to have dummy targets with sand in the empty containers which is totally not acceptable and I made the suggestions several times to use plastic or rubber which I never got a response to.
Empty containers that is what I really wanted, but I found out with SezMes’ test, plastic was ok and I assumed that rubber would also be ok.
An organic like lime or even flour was better yet.
Apparently that wasn't acceptable to them and they with drew the application I sent.
What I see there is, I seen through their deception and they didn't like that.
Sand is quartz based and quartz carries a charge that would be interferences.
I told them that the dowser also picks up on a charge that there is a reaction that also demonstrates movement of the stick, or an electrical field in ballasts, even wire that carries high voltages.
They knew this since in my first test I used big chunks of it for part of my target, unfortunately it didn't over ride the interferences or help to over ride what is in buildings as I learned this later.
Of course you will say it's an excuse but testing and experimenting has taught me I was right.
So who’s kidding whom?
You only believe what you are told!
We were two steps away from finalizing my protocol.
The last thing was where and when...............
Don't try to lie for them it's unflattering.
Is this clear enough for you?
Wake the f$%^ up.
It really doesn't matter because I know now I was right as my latest score has shown me and I will take it to another place and level.
My writing skills aren’t as great as a novelist but it’s plane English and it is understandable and I get better all the time.
My protocol as I wrote it stands as there isn’t any way to improve it that I can see or envision.
They aren’t going to risk the money now and that’s the truth.
I got this down now.
I knew as I read between their lines.
And still no word from the IIG even in Spektators words, one of their own, a skeptic, how ironic, so it's not how it's written, but what is now known about dowsing, now if you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.
Have a nice Day!
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SezMe
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Easy there, edge. Cool your jets. Maybe you and Jack and Johnny have been spending too much time together.
So, can you define more precisely "a few minutes" that must delayed between tests? What impact does this hysteresis have on the various protocols that have been promulgated?
See, edge, this is a perfect example of why we have trouble keeping up with you. What the hell does this sentence mean? Since I was there, you would think that I would know what you mean when you write about "how did our tests clarify about measuring the force?" Sadly, I don't have a clue. You can then well understand that the other stalwart JREFers who continue to follow this thread will go no further than WTF?
A 22 page post is not possible. Do you mean 22 posts out of some thread? If so, which thread? If the mods take action such as moving or deleting posts, there is always an explanation. Your reason is that such action was taken "to hide what was going on". What silly explanation did the mod team give and where can we find it?
Which thread?
This "lagging" phenomenon is technically called hysteresis. As far as I know, you have not previously introduced this concept into your dowsing capabilities. You certainly did NOT mention it during our Coffee Creek tests.
So, can you define more precisely "a few minutes" that must delayed between tests? What impact does this hysteresis have on the various protocols that have been promulgated?
See, edge, this is a perfect example of why we have trouble keeping up with you. What the hell does this sentence mean? Since I was there, you would think that I would know what you mean when you write about "how did our tests clarify about measuring the force?" Sadly, I don't have a clue. You can then well understand that the other stalwart JREFers who continue to follow this thread will go no further than WTF?
I would gently remind you that our dummy was a Rubber Maid drain pan. It was not plastic. It would be more accurate for you to state that "I found out with SezMes' [sic] test, rubber was ok and I assumed that plastic would also be ok."
edge, when we did our tests, what was under the porch? Sand. What was the adjacent driveway made of? Sand. When you dowsed my car what was I parked on? Sand. And, finally, when you dowsed down by Coffee Creek and got a dramatic reading, what were you standing on? Yep, sand.
I am sure that the reason that I cannot understand this sentence is that I have been spending too much time with our friends Jack and Johnny but could I ask you to translate this into English? Thanks.
Many posters have stated they have difficulty understanding your posts.
Which do you think is more likely - that we all have comprehension issues, or that you are not making your meaning clear?
It's not plain English.
Only parts of it are understandable.
If you mean you are better at making your meaning clear then you are mistaken. For example, in reply to part of the post where you state "I get better all the time", SezMe said -
Think about it, Edge, then answer the question: Which do you think is more likely - that we all have comprehension issues, or that you are not making your meaning clear?
Georg
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I just don´t get it. If I´d have the genuine ability to find gold with a rod, I wouldn´t waste hundreds or maybe thousands of hours on an internet forum, I would just ....mmmmh.........(gasp)....dowse?
Before you go on whining about all those evil skeptic organisations using unfair methods to prevent you from winning their prizes, why don´t you just do what you claim you are able to do, dig out some pounds of the precious metal, sell it and have a good life? You could then send photos to the forum (if the island you could buy for your retirement has an internet connection), some pics of the heaps of gold you found, some of the nice girls accompanying you and taking care of your rod, you get the picture.
Of course that would only work if you really have the ability. Oh well.
Before you go on whining about all those evil skeptic organisations using unfair methods to prevent you from winning their prizes, why don´t you just do what you claim you are able to do, dig out some pounds of the precious metal, sell it and have a good life? You could then send photos to the forum (if the island you could buy for your retirement has an internet connection), some pics of the heaps of gold you found, some of the nice girls accompanying you and taking care of your rod, you get the picture.
Of course that would only work if you really have the ability. Oh well.
SezMe and Georg are absolutely right.
The qualifiers that edge is now adding don't make sense either in regard to what he is trying to specifically say or in regard to internal consistency (the sand issue).
The bit about JREF and the California group "backing down" would be easy to demonstrate if edge would simply go get rich with his abilities. Come back with piles of gold or whatever else he can dowse for with such ease and accuracy and say "Nyah nyah." Until then, it's the empty but vitriolic complaints of the lousy American Idol contestant who gets told "You can't really sing, you know."
The qualifiers that edge is now adding don't make sense either in regard to what he is trying to specifically say or in regard to internal consistency (the sand issue).
The bit about JREF and the California group "backing down" would be easy to demonstrate if edge would simply go get rich with his abilities. Come back with piles of gold or whatever else he can dowse for with such ease and accuracy and say "Nyah nyah." Until then, it's the empty but vitriolic complaints of the lousy American Idol contestant who gets told "You can't really sing, you know."
You continue to waffle.
You continue to evade a controlled test.
"The force nearly ripped the rod out of my hands." Your words, edge.
If you are not confusing the fictional force from "Star Wars" with your alleged real force, you have discovered a new law of physics. But experience with you suggests that you simply make stuff up. At that, you are excellent. The quoted post which I edited shows at least half a dozen lies - I call it that because the issues have been pointed out to repeatedly.
Where is your force, mein Freund? Where are your results from controlled tests?
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It's a birthmark and I don't appreciate you making fun of it.