dear CFLARSEN well you see? yuo are providing me with information and that is what i needed, thanks, I didn't know Robert Fludd casted horoscopes. I just hate the ones in magazines and newspapers.
Perhaps dogs are influence by planets, that goes out of my field of study, are they interested you mean?
Yes, my mention to the 25,000 years is all about precession
There are many records indeed, and that is where we learn from, again I am looking for some rare books to study, do you know where I can find them?
some of the names I gave you are from astrologers who compiled enormous amount of information, made scientifc studies, conducted researchs and so on. I know I won't be able to do anything closer to that, that is why I don't consider myself an astrologer, just a student.
And within my reach, for the moment, and with the information I have, I can only work on humans' natal charts, which doesn't mean if you want to study why Jüng preview Freud's library's cristal was going to break alone you don't do it, my friend
Perhaps dogs are influence by planets, that goes out of my field of study, are they interested you mean?
Yes, my mention to the 25,000 years is all about precession
There are many records indeed, and that is where we learn from, again I am looking for some rare books to study, do you know where I can find them?
some of the names I gave you are from astrologers who compiled enormous amount of information, made scientifc studies, conducted researchs and so on. I know I won't be able to do anything closer to that, that is why I don't consider myself an astrologer, just a student.
And within my reach, for the moment, and with the information I have, I can only work on humans' natal charts, which doesn't mean if you want to study why Jüng preview Freud's library's cristal was going to break alone you don't do it, my friend
Hokulele
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That would be extremely odd considering that almost all of my cells have been replaced since then. (Avoiding for now the idea of "quantic" anything.)
And why is it keyed to birth and not something like conception, or the start of a heartbeat, or the development of the spinal column? Choosing the date, time, and location of birth seems arbitrary to me.
Once astrology is applied to the realm of serious decision making, it's no longer entertaining or amusing!
If it's accurate and useful in personal finance, why not apply it to making decisions regarding pre-emptive medical procedures, deciding court cases and criminal sentencing, battle field tactics, making corporate decisions or government policy...
Remarks like the above quote are cause enough to go to
RED ALERT!
Hi PSILOAD, I agree with you I misused some terms but I've already apologized, will you ever forgive me? And you are right instead of electrical (gravitational) I should I've used "beautiful" or "erotic" maybe? Referring to Eros as the natural force of love.
Well about using specific terminology on purpose to achieve my dark goals, who is entitled to measure or judge the intentionality of a person who is trying to share some views. Believing to be absolutely true goes beyond your own scope, doesn't it? Well it works for me too. I never said anything about being the truth holder.
Well about using specific terminology on purpose to achieve my dark goals, who is entitled to measure or judge the intentionality of a person who is trying to share some views. Believing to be absolutely true goes beyond your own scope, doesn't it? Well it works for me too. I never said anything about being the truth holder.
Often, pre-planned cesarian births have a window of a week; not just an hour or so.
There is another factor at work in this;
people whom subscribe to astrological beliefs modify their behaviour accordingly, giving credibility to the underlying predictions. Such is the power of woo.
There is another factor at work in this;
people whom subscribe to astrological beliefs modify their behaviour accordingly, giving credibility to the underlying predictions. Such is the power of woo.
What statistics, please?
Uranus entering Pisces isn't sudden; it stays there from 2003 to 2011; it was there from 1919-1927, 1835-1843, and 1751-1759. So, I gather, astrology did not tell us that a tsunami would occur in late December 2004; it told us that "something bad and ocean-related" might occur "between 2003 and 2011". Proluna8, you didn't need astrology to tell you that---something bad happens in the ocean every few years, Uranus or no Uranus. For example, go over to Wikipedia and read their list of tsunamis. Uranus is in Pisces about 1/12th of the time. I haven't checked, but I'll bet that 1/12th of the listed tsunamis occurred under that sign, and 11/12ths did not. (Or you might expect a small excess, because the astrologers get to choose what sign to associate with what.)
Why don't you work that up into a real prediction? That's the sort of thing that will convince skeptics: a dated prediction of a specific, otherwise-rare event. (Not a dated prediction of a vague or common event, like "unrest in Iraq on Dec. 9th", nor an undated prediction of a rare-ish event, like "a coal-mine explosion in the Appalachians ... some time after 2009."
That's a sad story, Proluna8. I am curious as to what you think a non-astrologer would have done differently. All over the world, there are friends advising abused women to "be careful", fearing that the abuse might reoccur, and seeing their fears come true---abuse is notorious for this sort of predictability. It looks like your "calculations" told you exactly the same thing that common sense would have.
I see.
Perhaps you should stop lecturing people on the virtues of these astrologers, until you have done an inkling of research?
If it is out of your field of study, how can you say it is "absolutely stupid" to say your dog is a Libra?
But in 25,000 years from now, the stars will not be in the same position, due to proper motion.
The classic example is the Big Dipper.
Don't tell me you didn't know this either.
Wait a moment. You started off with claiming that we couldn't learn from previous astrologers:
Now you say we can.
Why are the people you listed "real" astrologers? Fludd - to pick one - cast horoscopes, yet you dismiss them.
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Oooh, you little tease! Why are you witholding the one piece of information that would REALLY impress sceptics?
If you seriously believe that in three years time the earth will be pounded by meteorites and riven by volcanic activity, don't you have a moral duty to spread the word and give us plenty of time to prepare for this nightmare scenario?
And purely as a matter of interest, are you familiar with Tim4848?
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What a waffling and myopic post. The fact that anyone thinks they can narrow down personality to twelve absolute dispositions is like someone telling me that they can create the ultimate meal by combining all of the foods in the world.
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I think this should be the mantra of skeptics everywhere:
Yes, facts. Pesky things. With facts, you can prove anything that is even remotely true.
Yes, facts. Pesky things. With facts, you can prove anything that is even remotely true.
anticonspiracy911
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Yup, facts bad. Beliefs good. We should continue to mix beliefs with fact until the point where we just waffle ideas and don't even understand the definition of fact anymore. This proluna guy has no clue whatsoever. Just wishful thinking on his part.
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Tearout: I don't understand something and maybe you could help me, why are you so sure astrology can not be used for those things? In fact it is. There are (and has been) many doctors, psicologists, politicians... who ask about the best course of action before doing something. The thing I don't understand is why some of you here, in this forum, seem to be so reluctant about a new aproach and decide to attack the person who proposes it. I know, you may have tried to have your natal chart read and it didn't work for you, did you? because unless you did, you can not be so sure about how astrology works.
Would you like and give it a try just for the sake of proving it wrong? Let me know and we'll try. What do you have to loose? Time, yes, a little. What can you gain? A little surprise, a little doubt perhaps? isn't it what we all look for? the reasonable doubt?
If you don't try you will never be able to know for sure. To prove something wrong you have to prove it. Am I too wrong about this point?
hope to hear from you, Adriana
Would you like and give it a try just for the sake of proving it wrong? Let me know and we'll try. What do you have to loose? Time, yes, a little. What can you gain? A little surprise, a little doubt perhaps? isn't it what we all look for? the reasonable doubt?
If you don't try you will never be able to know for sure. To prove something wrong you have to prove it. Am I too wrong about this point?
hope to hear from you, Adriana
Hi Ben M many things you said are right, we could engage in some discussions though. But something you mentioned really atracted my attention: what if we try? I just need your birth date (day, month, year, time and city) If you want you can make a question or just wait for something I can tell you based on your data. Wanna risk?
see u, Adriana
see u, Adriana
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
There are lots of doctors, politicians, etc. that believe in god too...that does not make it any more real.
I do not think anyone is "reluctant" about new approaches; we (or at least I) am simply interested in ones that can be shown to work in a credible manner.
Can you do this, scientifically prove astrology works? Until you can do this, ie. scientifically prove your claim wrt astrology, it is nothing more then a belief.
Ok everybody, I told you I would give you something to feast on, and you did. (this was not a prediction, just common sense, hahahahaha)
But I am surprised at the level of bitterness (¿?) I'm not sure about the word to use (again, I'm not an English speaker, sorry) but many of you just attacked this lady (sorry I'm not a guy) AND BLONDE!!!!!! (sure that explains everything) but no one tried to prove me wrong!!!!!!!!
So, from my point of view, you are not taking the chance of using this information.
If anyone wants to have a useful and amicable conversation I will be very grateful, if not, you will remember my posts and laugh for a long time and I will be happy i was of some use at the end anyway, hahahahahahaha
But I am surprised at the level of bitterness (¿?) I'm not sure about the word to use (again, I'm not an English speaker, sorry) but many of you just attacked this lady (sorry I'm not a guy) AND BLONDE!!!!!! (sure that explains everything) but no one tried to prove me wrong!!!!!!!!
So, from my point of view, you are not taking the chance of using this information.
If anyone wants to have a useful and amicable conversation I will be very grateful, if not, you will remember my posts and laugh for a long time and I will be happy i was of some use at the end anyway, hahahahahahaha
Actually, assuming both are speaking in the same language using terminology according to it's primary or most appropriate - within the topic - meaning then anyone who comes to this thread is entitlrd to measure or judge the intentionality of the person. If you wish no judgement your terms and usages must be quite precise.
As to the books, I have not noticed any named - but I have not read every item here. List? (Another of my "aspects" is "hunter" - I find data.)
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
Proluna8 - You have it a bit wrong...it is for you to prove your claims right, not for us (et all) to prove you wrong.
What facts, information, etc. do you have that supports what ever your claim is about astrology?
BTW - You mention English is not your first language? We need to have you talk to Creekfreak (another thread), as you seem to have mastered paragraphs...or say ferj (also another thread), as you have mastered the use of apostrophes. Nicely done.
What facts, information, etc. do you have that supports what ever your claim is about astrology?
BTW - You mention English is not your first language? We need to have you talk to Creekfreak (another thread), as you seem to have mastered paragraphs...or say ferj (also another thread), as you have mastered the use of apostrophes. Nicely done.