Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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kitakaze said:
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Unkn0n sp3cies... und1sc0vered pr1mate... d0es n0t need t0 c0nf0rm...
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Good,
But I was thinking more along the lines of:

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Dr. Meldrum + Unkown species trait ... *computing*... *computing*

Logic: Meldrum + Supp0rting Unkn0n Sp3c1es Tra1t = Why w0uld Dr. Stake reputat10n 0n s0meth1ng that was n0t true? L0g1c Fa1led... L0g1c Fa1led...
 
manofthesea said:
I live in Hawaii. I'm an electrician. A couple of things happened when I was a kid, growing up in Seattle.
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Hmmm.....I Googled "manofthesea Hawaii" and came up with some interesting hits. Unfortunately, I can't open the links from work. Maybe others can.
 
mangler said:
Mots,:bike:


Why the hell would I drive 160 miles to checkout your lame ass story? (BTW, I never said I lived at Samish.)

There are more than enough holes in the events that make up the mainstay of your little adventure to satisfy my curiosity. Regardless of these mistakes being operator error or flat-out miss-fire is of no concern to me. Other than you pissing yourself over some sounds that you heard in the forest I find very little logic in any of your statements.

You seem to have a serious problem when it comes to people doubting your word. Why the hell would I believe that what you say is true? Your storyline is quite askew when broken down and analyzed, the responses you make to questions are totally illogical in many instances, and well, IMO you suck at story telling.

I made what was a simple request, I provided you with maps of the area hoping that you could provide us with a better understanding of the scenario. I thought you’d be eager to set the scene for us. In my experience this is ordinarily when the story stands on it’s own or falls apart. So again, my curiosity is cured. I’m done with this one.

I am kind of surprised you didn’t mention the sighting of BF crossing I-5 in 80’ at around this same location. You may want to include that sighting as fodder/go juice next time you tell your little story.

If you want your buddy Tyler to bail you out, call him, he’s in the book. IMO his side of the story has to make more sense than yours.


BTW, the MSA of the Bellingham area in 77’ was 98,500, you may want to correct, among other things “in a town of 200 people”.


Now, how about that PGF.



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Samish Lake, not Lake Samamish. You idiot. What does the population of Bellingham have to do with Samish?

Make your case without the incivility.
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Within the story is a link to a YouTube video of the baby and the lactating mother. Watch carefully to see how a real lactating ape breast differs from what we see on Patterson's film. The real breast moves more like a Ziploc bag full of liquid.
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I forget if this was a serious idea by a proponent or a joke made by a skeptic, but I seem to recall someone pitching the idea that Patty lactates a toothpaste-like "milk" (hence the non-moving breasts).
 
It was me, and it was a serious joke. The breasts are supposed to be engorged with milk and should obviously bounce or flop. They don't. The only movement is a twitch that MK Davis found. But that movement coincides with the whole chest skin moving from the arm backswing. At that point it all behaves like a costume would.
 
mots,:bike:

Come on, is that the best you have to offer? Settle down, organize your feathers, and try a little harder next time.


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I Told You Mine

mangler said:
mots,:bike:

Come on, is that the best you have to offer? Settle down, organize your feathers, and try a little harder next time.


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What is your friend's name (that resided at Samish Lake)? And where are they now?

You're just a big mouth. Did you find the Johnson plot, I bet you did, now you're just full of nonsense.

You're just another pathological liar like Kitakaze.
 
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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
I forget if this was a serious idea by a proponent or a joke made by a skeptic, but I seem to recall someone pitching the idea that Patty lactates a toothpaste-like "milk" (hence the non-moving breasts).
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The most persistent argument I got was the old ' we don't know what Bigfoot breast tissue is really like ', so there is no reason to assume Bigfoot breasts should behave like other primate breasts ..

Here is one thread..

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4643

It starts off with a .gif MK Davis made, that shows the left breast bouncing a bit while the right one remained relatively stationary ...

IMO, it actually disproved the point he was trying to make..
 
William Parcher said:
It was me, and it was a serious joke.

How can a joke be serious? LOL Just kidding, William. Sorry I have not been around in a while, but I wanted to correct something-Roger Knights was not on the XZone last Thursday night, nor was Heironimus. It was myself, Kal Korff and Rob McConnell, and it was a rather spirited debate, especially between Rob and a caller. By the way, referring to those alleged Sasquatch photos from Pennsylvania and the trailcam, well, I lean strongly in the direction of a bear being in those photos. Matt Moneymaker unfortunately wants to espouse the idea that they are of a Sasquatch. I want to make it clear that he does not represent me or any other members of the Bigfoot community. Anyway, the 40th Anniversary of the P/G Movie passed this last Saturday rather uneventfully, and it was a pretty good weekend. Hope everyone here on these boards is well, and I will try not to be too much of a stranger from now on.
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William Parcher said:
BTW, I think you know that I do believe Bob Heironimus was Patty. The holes in his story don't bother me. It's a shame he doesn't have any physical evidence tying him to the hoax.
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Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. Laugh my ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ arse off.

This is the exact thing the 'scofics' lay into the 'believers' for. Holes in stories......no evidence etc etc etc.

You can't make it up. No really, you can't.

This is why this forum gives me a chuckle, if nothing else. Seriously, that was the funniest thing I've read all week.

See you kiddies. Chin chin an' all that. Do carry on with your mud pies.

LOL. Thanks for the laugh Parcher. Classic.
 
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I'll share the laugh with you, Lyndon....:)...

Let's re-arrange William's post a little bit...

1) There are holes in Bob's story.

2) There is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE tying him to the film.

Therefore...... "I believe Bob was Patty". :boggled:


"That's how we laugh the day away....in the Merry old land of Randi".
 
Interestingly, Bob Heironimus is shown in the PGF but it seems that Bob Gimlin is not. Roger Patterson and Bob Heironimus are the only two people that we see in the PGF. I'm not sure if we have any physical evidence tying Gimlin to the film. It's absurd to think he was not there at Bluff Creek, but what do we have other than his word?

The so-called holes in BH's story don't bother me because none of them confirm that he is making up the whole thing. I can't even imagine a person like this having motivation to fabricate the story of being in the suit. That makes less sense to me than simply presuming he is being honest (with some flawed recollection) and waiting for him to say something that would absolutely exclude him. I haven't heard anything like that yet. P&G have holes in their story as well. Some of those holes make it sound like they were lying about the events. Pattycakes will disregard those holes just like I do for BH.

But the burdens of proof are not on equal ground. The extraordinary original claim is that Bigfoot exists, and Patty is one that was caught on film. The simple counter-argument (alternative hypothesis) is that Patty is a guy in a suit. Which guy? Well we have one that is confessing, is willing to answer questions, and can be directly linked to the PGF as well as P&G as personal aquaintances. After listening to Heironimus in live interview taking skeptical questions and proclamations of his "fraud", I can assure you that you have no silver bullet against him. This man is not going away. There is more than just a good chance that he really was Patty.
 
Click on this, it is blockfoot. There are two frames, does anyone have any of the frames in between these two frames?

My basic point is this:

1-Photo shows lack of developed achilles tendon

2-Developed Achilles Tendons are neccessary for fast bipedal running
2A- Gorillas, Chimps, Orangutans do not have developed Achilles tendons
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2434423.ece
A new computer gait simulation of both Homo sapiens and A. afarensis has revealed that Achilles tendons are critical to fast running speeds. If Lucy lacked such tendons, she could still have walked almost as fast as modern humans, but her top running speed would have been half as quick.
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3-Patterson stated that when Patty got in the woods, she took off running 'just like you or me' (Thanks to Diogenes) http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/patterson.php
"When she got around the corner and into the real heavy stuff [timber and underbrush] she did take off-running, I mean — because, when we lost her tracks on pine needles after tracking her for about three-and-a-half miles, we took plaster casts of her tracks. Now, down by the creek, in the sand, where we first spotted her, her stride was from forty to forty-two inches from the back of the heel on the left side to the back of the right heel ahead; but when she got really going, she left tracks that measured sixty-five inches from back heel to back heel. Man, she was running just like you and I do!"
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4-Fahrenbach said- bigfoot runs, and places his weight on the anterior end of the foot when running, it also has 9' strides when running vs. 4' strides when walking, and while running the heel never touched the ground http://www.bfro.net/REF/THEORIES/WHF/sasq_traits.htm
As is the case with the ball of the foot, the heel does not grow in proportion to the length of the foot but lags behind, as the human heel does. The sasquatch appears to rely less on the heel plant in walking, but rather bears more of its weight on the broad anterior part of the foot, distal to the metatarsal hinge (see below) or, for that matter, more evenly distributed over the entire sole in the absence of an arch. In an expertly documented track of 14" prints, the imprint changed from a normal shape during calm walking to a round foot print, i.e., the anterior half of the foot, during running (step length changing from 4’ to 9’), in which the heel never touched the ground.
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So according to Patterson and Fahrenbach, Patty and BF run, which means bigfoot must have a developed achilles tendon.

Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans do NOT have developed achilles tendons

Therefore Bigfoot/Patty are not closely related to Gorillas Chimps and Orangutans since they both run fast and must have developed Achilles tendons.

Since photo shows lack of developed Achilles Tendon, and could run, I must assume a prosthetic foot was used in the film.

SIDENOTE: Fahrenbach says 'heel never touched the ground' while running, Patterson said Patty's prints measured '65" from heel to heel' while running
 
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Diogenes,
Has anyone tried to measure the width of the foot in the video? And if so, how does it compare to the casts allegedly from Bluff Creek?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Except that he is apparently shown riding a horse in the same reel of film...
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And that a picture exists of him standing with Patterson, Gimlin, and other people who helped with Patterson's Bigfoot documentary. Come to think of it, that picture could also show evidence that someone had visited a costume shop due to Bob Gimlin's "Indian tracker" wig...
 
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