pistol cartridge micro stamping

[Ranb]

So, how did they figure out where the guns came from? Did the just ask the criminal?!

All firearms sold in the USA have serial numbers. When the manufacturer or dealer sells or otherwise disposes of a firearm, they keep a record of who it went to. These records are retained by the dealer until they go out of business, then they are sent to an BATFE records storage in Georgia. The records stay around for a long time.

When a firearm is recovered at a crime scene or from someone suspected of a crime and the serial number is still intact, the police can find out who last took poccession from a dealer. From there they can sometimes track ownership of the firearm even if it was sold without a 4473 record (legal in most states, but not CA).

Many of the people selling firearms at gun shows are dealers. This is one of the ways they can advertise their wares. Some gun shows require that anyone buying a firearm be able to provide background check info.

And sometimes the criminal provide accurate information on who they got their firearms.

Ranb

 

[BenBurch]

If you are smart, when you do a murder;

1. It's not a gun registered to you or traceable to you.
2. You cleaned it and its rounds very thoroughly before use.
3. You wore a glove when you fired it, and you washed and bleached you clothes immediately on arriving at home.
4. You drop the gun at the scene.

This way it does not matter what microstamps the gun applies or tagints are in the bullet or powder.

The police have the weapon but no way to place it in your hands in testimony.

You'll notice that real organized crime arrests are almost never weapons charges.

Basically this will get the stupid thugs who do gun crime not the professional criminal, but half a loaf isn't bad.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, if it's a drive by, the casings probably won't be at the scene.

A smart crook will drop casings from a gun range at the scene.

You can use a pre-law gun, or an out of state gun.

You can alter the markings. You can replace the firing pin.

Etc.

The law simply isn't going to work very well at all, imo.

Just before the law goes into effect, gun sales will skyrocket to get a lot of unmarked guns in.

Since the law is so easy to get around, and those who wrote it must know that, I am forced to consider other reasons for wanting the law.

 

[DDWW]

If you are smart, when you do a murder;

1. It's not a gun registered to you or traceable to you.
2. You cleaned it and its rounds very thoroughly before use.
3. You wore a glove when you fired it, and you washed and bleached you clothes immediately on arriving at home.
4. You drop the gun at the scene.

This way it does not matter what microstamps the gun applies or tagints are in the bullet or powder.

The police have the weapon but no way to place it in your hands in testimony.

You'll notice that real organized crime arrests are almost never weapons charges.

Basically this will get the stupid thugs who do gun crime not the professional criminal, but half a loaf isn't bad.

I would add;

Have the scene investigated by the Denver police and prosecuted by Marhsa Clark @ Los Angels.

“Lets’ go over this again. You are going to hand me a glove and if I can put it on I am going to jail for the rest of my life. But if I can’t put it on I go free. ?! Gee, look, I can’t get it on!”


DD (I didn't do it - at least not that you know of) WW

 

[GreNME]

According to a National Institute of Justice (NIJ) study released in December 1997 ("Homicide in Eight U.S. Cities), only 2% of criminal guns came from gun shows.

I'm not trying to say that the law is claiming that those are the highest rates of acquisition-- from my experience looking into the issue, it seems stolen guns from owners are the most common way criminals get guns-- I'm saying that the law seems targeted toward such situations in the quote of mine you're responding to.

Is it effective? I don't know, I'm not a criminal investigator. From what I do know, not all shootings (that go to court) wind up going as far as checking that far into the gun's history to place it in the hands of the offender. Every crime isn't treated like the crimes on CSI, after all.

 

[ServiceSoon]

This is a very good law.

The only thing this law will do is:

Make legal firearms more expensive.
Decrease the amount of legal firearm enthusiast.
Create a trend for criminals to use revolvers.
Increase the black market value for firearms that don’t have this technology.

It is a worthless feel-good law.

 

[rocketdodger]

The only thing this law will do is:

Make legal firearms more expensive.

Which makes illegal ones more expensive as well... simple high school economics.

Decrease the amount of legal firearm enthusiast.

Because of course the reason most people are enthusiasts is because guns are $30 cheaper than otherwise.

Create a trend for criminals to use revolvers.

Forcing criminals to go through a lengthy reload process after six shots is a bad thing?

Increase the black market value for firearms that don’t have this technology.

... again, that is a bad thing?

It is a worthless feel-good law.

I think that might be a bit strong. More appropriate would be "the law probably won't make more than a dent in gun related crime, despite the fact that politicians and others will trump it up to be alot more."

 

[GreNME]

Which makes illegal ones more expensive as well... simple high school economics.

Because of course the reason most people are enthusiasts is because guns are $30 cheaper than otherwise.

Forcing criminals to go through a lengthy reload process after six shots is a bad thing?

... again, that is a bad thing?

I think that might be a bit strong. More appropriate would be "the law probably won't make more than a dent in gun related crime, despite the fact that politicians and others will trump it up to be alot more."

The most common weapon used in violent crimes with firearms in 2005, if I recall correctly, was the .38 revolver.

I'm not big on guns. Heck, I refuse to have one in my home. However, I do think that intellectual honesty is in order. Criminals already tend toward revolvers because they're already less traceable. I can see why this bugs people who are owners of guns that this would target.