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Pentagon debris with numbers

I am still waiting for someone to show me proof that there was no debris found that provided S/N data for AA77. Just because the LIMITED photos available ON LINE, do not seem to show any, does not mean, in any way, that such evidence does not/did not exist.

I get really tired of some of the truthers, who feel that unless they are walked into a hangar and allowed complete access to all the evidence, than it either doesn't exist, or is fake. That is not how the REAL WORLD exists.

Note...this is not directed at anyone in particular.

TAM:)
 
synchronized failure of defense; what an insult to me and the USAF, thanks

Caustic Logic said:
Agreed this no-757 and I guess no 77 idiocy is quite absurd. It's not just simple stupidity either - only a few people are really this dumb, but also too dumb to run websites and to know how to spin their arguments so well. This is... well, I'm not gonna say the word. My message to any rational 'truthers' (depressingly few) is
1) There is no smoking gun evidence
2) Especially at the Pentagon. The official story describes what happened there almost perfect. A few glitches here and tere, some secrecy, whatever...

What evidence on 9/11 in general? historical, circumstantial. If you'd like to see where my questions point, check here:
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/
and here:
http://12-7-9-11.blogspot.com/
I've gotten too ambitious at one point, and so there's sure to be some errors in there, but just san the whole thing and tell me is it all wrong? Are there not disturbing patterns?
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Only patterns you have made up.
Your web site borders on the same kind of stuff that makes up the Chemtrail web sites; just total BS. You are a 9/11 truther, but you weave a tall tale, and you have no rational stuff to back up your stuff. You have BS about NORAD, and plane intercepts, you are misleading others, you are not on the fence you are a major source for truther misinformation on 9/11. Sorry, but you should not post your web pages, they are proof you are a truther, not a fence sitter, you are 9/11 truth.

But you are right about events, flight 77 hit the Pentagon, and if you think there is some way we messed up not stopping the terrorist, you can have to join the rest of us for not doing something. If you think you are smart enough to uncover some conspiracy that we let it happen, then you would be smart enough to see it coming, and you are at fault too, as I would be.

I have been warn about threats my whole life in the USAF, but I never was able to take action and find out who was behind the threat; but I was lucky, the terrorist and assassins never got me; some guys were not so lucky, they are dead on the tarmac, killed by terrorist.

To tell you the truth, I have know for over 40 years it was possible some idiots would hijack a plane I was on and I could get killed. Where have you been? It took me over 11 years of living free to figure out some people did not respect my right to live. Where have you been? Why did you not stop the terrorists? Your web sites are full of BS, like a bad show on the History Channel where the History Channel airs BS, total BS and you may be mislead to think there is something. You are misleading others; but most know the WWW is a buyer beware place.

The world is full of information, you are cherry picking it, and making a mistake posting BS on 9/11 and related topics. Northwood III, Pentagon emergency exercise; you are not a fence sitter, you are a 9/11 truth movement source of false information.

Your synchronized failure of defense is an insult to me (http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/) , I was on active duty on 9/11 and the stand down BS is an insult. Please use some knowledge and judgment and fix the 9/11 truth slant that make your web site look like biased political tripe.

I was lucky to learn enough not to fall for the 9/11 truth movement junk, but then it is such a small fringe group of nuts, no body notices until they run out of news and need a few nut case ideas to air on the news. Like the highly knowledgeable Charlie Sheen, 9/11 truth is only good at baseball or something else other than finding facts and evidence on 9/11; like your web site.
 
T.A.M. said:
I am still waiting for someone to show me proof that there was no debris found that provided S/N data for AA77. Just because the LIMITED photos available ON LINE, do not seem to show any, does not mean, in any way, that such evidence does not/did not exist.

I get really tired of some of the truthers, who feel that unless they are walked into a hangar and allowed complete access to all the evidence, than it either doesn't exist, or is fake. That is not how the REAL WORLD exists.

Note...this is not directed at anyone in particular.

TAM:)
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I'd like to know where that came from also. Everytime I push a "truther" on it it get's dodged or I get the "show me one".
 
Caustic Logic said:
Agreed this no-757 and I guess no 77 idiocy is quite absurd. It's not just simple stupidity either - only a few people are really this dumb, but also too dumb to run websites and to know how to spin their arguments so well. This is... well, I'm not gonna say the word. My message to any rational 'truthers' (depressingly few) is
1) There is no smoking gun evidence
2) Especially at the Pentagon. The official story describes what happened there almost perfect. A few glitches here and tere, some secrecy, whatever...

What evidence on 9/11 in general? historical, circumstantial. If you'd like to see where my questions point, check here:
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/
and here:
http://12-7-9-11.blogspot.com/
I've gotten too ambitious at one point, and so there's sure to be some errors in there, but just san the whole thing and tell me is it all wrong? Are there not disturbing patterns?
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You should poke around here a bit, use the search functions. You'll find the answers you're looking for.

There are disturbing patterns, but the overriding theme is a command structure that was taken by surprise by an attacker who used a method that was not considered likely to be used before 9/11.

And yes, there were warnings, but through infighting, turf protecting, bureaucracy, legal restrictions, and plain old incompetence, the warnings didn't get where they needed to. Looking back with 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say that this or that should have been done, but the people actually performing those jobs in the days or weeks leading up to 9/11 didn't have the benefit of hindsight.

That being said, I think it's fair to say that we won't be surprised that way again.
 
The story of the Military readiness for 911 was echoed once before; The American entry into WW-2. I refer of course to Operation Paukenschlag; Operation Drumbeat in English. The Germans sent a handful of U-boats across the Atlantic to the Eastern Seaboard, and found the doors held wide open to them!

Navigation beacons were all lit.

None of the shore towns were in blackout.

Ships were not sailing in convoy.

Ships were not (usually) zig-zagging.

Ships were displaying their lights.

The US Navy and Army Air Corps were more like the Keystone Kops than any sort of effective fighting force.

The Germans mopped the floor with us for weeks!
 
Caustic Logic said:
What evidence on 9/11 in general? historical, circumstantial. If you'd like to see where my questions point, check here:
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/
and here:
http://12-7-9-11.blogspot.com/
I've gotten too ambitious at one point, and so there's sure to be some errors in there, but just san the whole thing and tell me is it all wrong? Are there not disturbing patterns?
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Well put bluntly, regardng the first link, yes it's all wrong.

You didn't even get the location of STRATCOM right. In 2001 it was based at Cheyenne Mountain with NORAD. It only moved to Offult with the formation of the ten unified combative commands which merged the old USSTRATCOM and Space Command together.

The Guardian Exercises (which incidentally were only CPXs) had no bearing on 9/11 other than to enhance the military's response to the attacks.

-Gumboot
 
I have been trying to figure out what I am looking at here. Could it be from an armrest on a passenger seat? Some kind of sound system component? That looks like a circuit board toward the bottom.
 
It looks like a light ballast. On Boeings, they typically have brass colored casing and are about 6x2x3 inches, have schematics on the side, and of course have the ID sticker on the top. The only other parts I can think of that are similar in size is cargo smoke detectors, other that I'm drawing a blank. :con2:

We can ask if AMTMAN could look up P/N MOD55(S?)37 and S/N 144B(8?) and see what he can find.

ETA: Seat electronic boxes are about the same size and appearance too, but they usually have lots of cooling holes in the case.
ETA2:.....or maybe they don't!
 
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"Do you have absolute proof that this piece was not planted? Without definative evidence, it is as good as planted."

So says nutcase 9-11 Deniar.
 
Caustic Logic said:
ETA: This piece does have an odd crimped dent, indicating... what? High velocity inpact with a narrow, solid object?
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Just a minor point here, I'm sure, but I'm curious. What's odd about the dent? What should the dent look like? What makes you look at it and say "gee, that's odd"?

Seriously. I'd love to know.
 
FramerDave said:
Just a minor point here, I'm sure, but I'm curious. What's odd about the dent? What should the dent look like? What makes you look at it and say "gee, that's odd"?

Seriously. I'd love to know.
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Indeed. Odd? Odd dent? What was the dent supposed to look like and why? You must know what that object is AND what it hit and at what angle and speed, correct? Let's hear it. Otherwise it hit something, in the crash, and got a dent.
 
AA MOD5537
S/N 144? (where ? appears to be another symbiol damaged or crossed out?)

Is that what anyone else sees?

The O in MOD is questionable.
 
The dent does not look to be like an impact. More like compression from both sides. Squished, not banged.
 
BenBurch said:
The Germans sent a handful of U-boats across the Atlantic to the Eastern Seaboard, and found the doors held wide open to them!

Navigation beacons were all lit.

None of the shore towns were in blackout.

Ships were not sailing in convoy.

Ships were not (usually) zig-zagging.

Ships were displaying their lights.

The US Navy and Army Air Corps were more like the Keystone Kops than any sort of effective fighting force.

The Germans mopped the floor with us for weeks!
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Well, the reason for that is obvious: it was a conspiracy!
 
Hey, Beachnut, I'm sorry man. I didn't mean to offend you and your colleagues. I know it can be an emotional issue to bring back up, for you and even more for others. Consider me driven off then and I'll never bring up my beliefs or research on these things to you again unless you ask me to. peace.
 
FramerDave said:
Just a minor point here, I'm sure, but I'm curious. What's odd about the dent? What should the dent look like? What makes you look at it and say "gee, that's odd"?

Seriously. I'd love to know.
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I'm not too good at these things, but it looks sorta piched. It seems in my brain like snything that would pich it like vice would also tend to stop it from moving, and I was thinking it had sort of flown through the air and landed on grass, so it seemed a bit odd. But there's certainly a logical reason, just wonderin'

Maybe it was crimped with the same jaws of life that did the light poles, or maybe simple pliers. It was a 'massive operation of deception' after all. Is that what you were hoping to get the truther to say? :)
 
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