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Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

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Foster Zygote said:
Instead let me point out that Native Americans were all a buch of bloodthirsty savages until the noble Christian Europeans arrived and made North America a peaceful place. Just thought everyone would like to know that.
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Oh my! I can't express how thankful I am to you for bringing in these facts!
 
DOC said:
NO, my bet is that joobz (and many others for that matter) did not know humans evolved (specifically) from reptiles. The common ancestor was bacteria than to invertebrates (such as jellyfish) than later fish, than later reptiles, than eventually humans.
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Are all bets in? Remember you have until 5pm to see if DOC is correct.

Remember now, that DOC has been wrong so often that the word wrong has been replaced with DOC.

So the question is, is DOC DOC about this?
 
joobz said:
Remember now, that DOC has been wrong so often that the word wrong has been replaced with DOC.
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To sum things up a little bit.


Did all plants and animals evolve from a single organism as I said?? (And upon which I've received a lot of bitter criticism) Well here's what Meadmaker and articulett have said:


Meadmaker said:
He (Dawkins) is saying it is possible that not only is all life descended from a single organism. Dawkins is saying it is possible that all life is descended from a single molecule. I didn't see anyone talking about how ridiculous that claim is. (Just to make sure everyone understands, you shouldn't be saying it's ridiculous. It isn't ridiculous. It's mainstream science.)

So, DOC has said that, according to science, we are all descended from a single organism. Yep. A bacterium. A cyanobacterium is the favored candidate. Blue green algae. Pond scum. He's also saying that, according to science, I am a distant cousin to my houseplants. That's true, too. Why are people disagreeing with him?
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But all the complex stuff--the stuff big enough to see (evolved from the same first multicellular creature)... plants too. Even Fungus.
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DOC,

A real simple question for you. If, for the sake of argument, your claim in the OP is correct and some majority percentage of atheists are unfamiliar with abiogenesis and the first stages of evolutionary development; so what? What is your point?
 
DOC said:
To sum things up a little bit.


Did all plants and animals evolve from a single organism as I said?? (And upon which I've received a lot of bitter criticism) Well here's what Meadmaker and articulett have said:
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DOC again. That isn't what articulett or Meadmaker is saying. Also, articulett explicitly said multicellular, which contradicted your initial claim: you said
DOC said:
I would estimate that no more than 10 percent of all atheists know that modern science believes that all the millions of "plant and animal" species that have ever existed came from the "same" organism (and that first organism that we all came from was a one celled bacteria).
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You seem to keep believing that everything was from 1 single solitary cell. there is no reason to assume this.
Did you read and understand what I said when I wrote:
joobz said:
So, when talking with DOC, i was simply trying to get him to see that his initial statement is far from a "Science says so" thing. The fact that horizontal gene transfer can occur eliminates the ability for us to say 1 single solitary celled organism poofed into being and all came from that. It could easily have been a cohort of stuffs that came about simultaneously that resulted in life as we know it.
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DOC said:
To sum things up a little bit.
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Actually, what you said was:
DOC said:
The origin of life is a crucial part (if not the most important question) of the Theist/Atheist debate. Yet I contend that most atheists are not aware that all life (the blue whales, the insects, the elephants, the octopuses, the trees in the redwood forests, the butterflies, the cactus, the humans, all the dinosaurs, and the multi-millions of other plant and animal species) that have ever existed are descended from the "same" one celled organism. (according to modern science)

I would estimate that no more than 10 percent of all atheists know that modern science believes that all the millions of "plant and animal" species that have ever existed came from the "same" organism (and that first organism that we all came from was a one celled bacteria).
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This has a couple of problems.

First, I disagree that the origin of life is crucial to whether or not gods exist. A god actively starting life would be definitive proof of the existence of at least the god or gods who started that life. If, however, a god or gods did not actively start life, as appears to be the case, it neither adds nor subtracts from the argument. At this point, what we know about the origins of life does not contribute to the question.

Second, science does not definitively say that all life started from a single one-celled organism. It is certainly a possibility, but we don't know whether or not it is a fact.


DOC said:
Did all plants and animals evolve from a single organism as I said??
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We simply don't know yet.

It hardly seems fair to expect a general population to have knowledge that isn't available.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
DOC,

A real simple question for you. If, for the sake of argument, your claim in the OP is correct and some majority percentage of atheists are unfamiliar with abiogenesis and the first stages of evolutionary development; so what? What is your point?
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That is a good question. This seems more a topic of science than of philosophy.


Doc, could you explain how this ties back to philosophy and what you called the "Theist/Atheist debate'?
 
DOC said:
Statements like these are meaningless, but they will continue again and again. Any troll can make a statement like this.
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I thought Geemacks post was brilliant. People are giving you really valuable information and you just ignore it because you already have the truth you want. I find it amazing what you ignore and how you can extrapolate bits and pieces to twist into a story that keeps your delusion alive. On this forum, you are the one exhibiting troll behavior. This is a skeptics forum. Skeptics love evidence--they want to know who has it and they want to share what they know with others and have it examined and probed and refined or even have our errors exposed-- because the truth is more important to skeptics then what we WANT to be true... and not knowing something is better than believing a lie.

Besides, it is well documented that humans are very good and lying to themselves and others which is what you are doing.

When the assorted woos come here to preach it's fascinating for us to watch how they spin their assorted illusion and miss seeing the evidence no matter how well presented. It's amazing to see the questions you ignore. It's amazing to see what you think of as "honest". You clearly came here to preach your woo. Quit pretending your here to share and learn actual facts. You are as smarmy as any fundy--and as evasive at every attempt to pin you down on what you are trying to say amongst your bizarro questions and assertions.
 
DOC said:
I've made over 900 posts and have made and have gotten around 45,000 hits in my threads since January. That deserves some respect and if a person doesn't respect me their a phony (or a troll) to keep coming in my threads, period
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"they're" not their...

and no--in science and reality we respect respectable facts, honesty, and evidence--it's only in faith that respect is offered willy nilly just because someone believes in an invisible entity...

You get the respect you dish out. You are the incompetent in my sig. who greatly overestimates his own competence so that he can't learn from the more competent. tsk. In reality, making claims doesn't make things true. Your opinion of who is a troll or phony is not on par with the evidence.
 
DOC said:
Did all plants and animals evolve from a single organism as I said??
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The answer is a firm maybe. It's possible, but it may have been colonies of organisms. There is another, less likely but still viable hypothesis called Panspermia. At any rate, all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, but this ancestor is almost certainly not the "origin of life". The origin of life on Earth almost certainly goes back much further to the first self replicating organic molecules (In this case "organic" refers to carbon based chemistry, not necessarily organic life).

So what does this have to do with the subject of this thread? How does this affect your claim that most atheists are ignorant of the fact of common descent?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
DOC,

A real simple question for you. If, for the sake of argument, your claim in the OP is correct and some majority percentage of atheists are unfamiliar with abiogenesis and the first stages of evolutionary development; so what? What is your point?
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My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.
 
DOC said:
My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.
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It's more like I/we put our "trust" in a system which has proven remarkably reliable. That said, I have no problem in you ensuring people know what science actually says.

Do you use equal fervor to ensure that people know of the contradictions in the bible (pick your version?) That people know of the capricious and cruel acts of the christian god as portrayed in the bible?

Or do you prefer people remain ignorant of those things?
 
DOC said:
My point is that if you "put your faith in science" and science says that you, and all your relatives, and millions of plant and animal species came from a single bacterium, then you should know about it.
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Yes. But since that's not what science says (although it might at some point in the future,when the evidence is clearer), there's no need to get your rosary in a twist about it just yet.
 
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