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London Bombing Oddity

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So the 7/7 bombings took place on the exact same day, exact same time, and at the exact same locations as a terror drill. The chances of that must be rediculously low.

I mean, if NYC was holding a terror drill on August 18th, which meant to simulate a bombings of the D train at West 4th St., the 1 train at 59th St., the R train at Roosevelt Ave, and the M15 bus on 42nd st., and terrorists just happen to hit those exact same targets, Id be very very suspicous.

The chances of it all happening on the same day, same trains and buses, same locations, must be so damn small that any right minded person must be a little suspicious.

Please debunk this or link me to a topic that already has.
 
Do you have a reliable, corroborated source for the existence of this exercise? So far all we have is the word of Peter Power managing director of Visor Consultants. Furthermore, he claims that he was running an exercise for a private body (a company which eh refused to name), which means that there was no police, transport body or emergency service involvement, it was little more than make believe in a "crisis centre" (some office somewhere), even if it happened at all It in no way impacted on the response to the terror alter. What point would this exercise have for any evil gubbmint conspirators?

Lots of nice free publicity for Visor OTOH...
 
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Well, Alex Jones said it, so it must be true! :rolleyes:

OTOH: http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html

Some quotes from the article:

In fact, Power's consultancy firm was running a small "corporate wargame" drill for the management team of a British company with 1,000 employees. Here's the BBC transcript of the interview Power gave [our emphasis]:

POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now."

Clearly, the figure of 1,000 refers to the size of the company whose managers were being drilled - and not to the number of participants in the drill.
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The London corporate drill was just a glorified administration seminar where managers get to use security buzzwords --while seated around an office table guessing how they would respond to loss of available staff for call centers, power outages, or travel restrictions, etc..

Bear in mind that Peter Power was doing a bit of hyping too, playing up the idea that his firm was so well attuned that it was running a terror drill about bombs at "precisely at the railway stations where it happened." But in a seperate, simpering TV interview Power admits that their exercise also included mainline rail targets as well as the Underground. His firm runs these terror seminars frequently.
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There were a few exact stations as well but others that did not match

Its about as relevant as the excercises on 911

And it was for a private company and there were no men on the ground as they say, IIRC
 
It's a deliberate misreading of what Peter Power actually said.

"And the most peculiar thing is we based our scenario on simultaneous attacks on both the Underground and Mainline stations...."

Of course, there were no attacks on Mainline (i.e., overground railroad) stations, Power did not say that his scenario envisioned the exact Tube stations; that's an attempt by the kooks to make it seem more eerie.

As for terrorists attacking Tube stations, this is just another scenario where the kooks seem to forget that it had happened before, much as they express amazement at the FEMA terrorism report from the late 1990s depicting the WTC in the crosshairs.

ETA: Okay, forgot that during an earlier interview, Power made a wilder claim, clearly trying to overhype his company's security prowess.
 
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For what it's worth there have been sixteen terrorist bomb attacks on the London Underground - the first in 1885.

The private company running the crisis management exercise were simply performing their normal every day job. If they were a successful company, they'd be running similar exercises every single day.

As the history of attacks shows, a bombing attack on the Underground is an obvious choice for a terrorist attack. However there were key differences of course:

1. The exercise included attacks on underground and mainline stations
2. The actual attacks occurred only on the underground, and not at any stations, but between stations
3. The actual attacks also included an attack on a bus

London is a big city. It's also a city with a long history of terrorism. This is a list of terrorist incidents in the UK. The vast majority were in London. It's of no surprise that London is a city that constantly prepares for the next attack - both at a government and private corporate level. Statistically there's a good chance that on any given day that somewhere in the city someone is running an exercise that somehow relates to terrorism.

It's much like the statistical probability that on any given day, somewhere in the USA, a military unit is running a military exercise. Not coincidence. Just a reflection of how often such exercises are run.

-Gumboot
 
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For what it's worth there have been sixteen terrorist bomb attacks on the London Underground - the first in 1885.

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-Gumboot
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When my father and I were travelling by train to Gatwick Airport in 1997 (iirc) the service was stopped because (most likely) a suspicious package or suitcase had been found. Back then there were posters all over the stations asking to report any suspicous (abandoned) lugguage to the police. That was when the IRA was still a threat.

We had to return to another station and take another train and allmost missed the boarding time for our plane. The positive thing was, that we got seated in bussiness class instead of economy :)
 
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So the 7/7 bombings took place on the exact same day, exact same time, and at the exact same locations as a terror drill. The chances of that must be rediculously low.
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So you've made 1,400 posts here over nearly a year and still haven't learned not to take conspiracist claims at face value? The "chances" of that must be ridiculously low. So low that it's hard to believe it's accidental.

Please debunk this or link me to a topic that already has.
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http://www.911myths.com/html/7_7_exercise_probabilities.html
 
Okay

Firstly you need to understand the underground deals with 8-9 million people a day on it's system. So the idea of creating a training program incident that affected these 8-9 million people is absurd. The average london commutter views a person falling under the train as an inconvience not a tradegy.

Secondly it's the most obvious location to attack london to achieve the most deathes and do the most financial damage.

As to the training exercise. Kings Cross is the biggest transportation hub of the underground. Its also the site of the worse disaster of the underground the fire in 88. Therefore it makes it the logical place to base a training exercise.
 
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So you've made 1,400 posts here over nearly a year and still haven't learned not to take conspiracist claims at face value? The "chances" of that must be ridiculously low. So low that it's hard to believe it's accidental.

http://www.911myths.com/html/7_7_exercise_probabilities.html
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Nah, it's easy enough to make. I often find myself starting to debunk something on the assumption that the woo actually had the basic incident correct, only to find out that even what they looked like they should have gotten right wasn't.
 
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Interesting...
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notice how the people who replied to your reasonable inquiry simply dismissed all the statements that Peter Power made, as coincidence, where he said:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642456870256356055
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE9FiuM06o

and many more times, he repeated the fact that he had "hairs standing up on his neck" because the coincidence was so uncanny. silly him, if he consulted this forum he would have been reassured that this is quite normal.

your inquiry was simply dismissed as a coincidence. this stuff just happens you know, governments never stage terror attacks behind the cover of a terror drill.

you're a nutcase troofer for just asking the question.

offcourse, you have to disregard all other coincidences that occured on 7/7 that lead to that event taking place.

see, you have to look at each individual item, dismiss it individually as 'coincidence' and disregard the jigsaw that those coincidences create overall, that's just troooooofer talk.
 
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Zlaya said:
notice how the people who replied to your reasonable inquiry simply dismissed all the statements that Peter Power made, where he said:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642456870256356055
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE9FiuM06o

and many more times, he repeated the fact that he had "hairs standing up on his neck" because the coincidence was so uncanny. silly him, if he consulted this forum he would have been reassured that this is quite normal.

your inquiry was simply dismissed as a coincidence. this stuff just happens you know, governments never stage terror attacks behind the cover of a terror drill.

you're a nutcase troofer for just asking the question.
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You obviously didn't pay attention. Whether Peter Power thinks the coincidence was "uncanny" or not, and what Peter Power's neck hairs did is entirely irrelevant.

He may indeed think his little exercise was identical to the London attacks. But it wasn't. Frankly it wasn't even that close. The only parallel was that some of the lines that the attacks occurred on were close to each other. They were not the same stations, and most of the lines were not even the same, and he also didn't have a bus attack in his exercise.

He got a well under 25% hit rate. That might do it for Mr Power's neck hairs, but it doesn't do it for mine.

-Gumboot
 
Zlaya said:
notice how the people who replied to your reasonable inquiry simply dismissed all the statements that Peter Power made, as coincidence, where he said:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642456870256356055
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE9FiuM06o

and many more times, he repeated the fact that he had "hairs standing up on his neck" because the coincidence was so uncanny. silly him, if he consulted this forum he would have been reassured that this is quite normal.

your inquiry was simply dismissed as a coincidence. this stuff just happens you know, governments never stage terror attacks behind the cover of a terror drill.

you're a nutcase troofer for just asking the question.

offcourse, you have to disregard all other coincidences that occured on 7/7 that lead to that event taking place.

see, you have to look at each individual item, dismiss it individually as 'coincidence' and disregard the jigsaw that those coincidences create overall, that's just troooooofer talk.
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It wasn't anything to do with the government.

Got anything else?
 
Zlaya said:
notice how the people who replied to your reasonable inquiry simply dismissed all the statements that Peter Power made, as coincidence, where he said:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642456870256356055
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE9FiuM06o

and many more times, he repeated the fact that he had "hairs standing up on his neck" because the coincidence was so uncanny. silly him, if he consulted this forum he would have been reassured that this is quite normal.

your inquiry was simply dismissed as a coincidence. this stuff just happens you know, governments never stage terror attacks behind the cover of a terror drill.

you're a nutcase troofer for just asking the question.

offcourse, you have to disregard all other coincidences that occured on 7/7 that lead to that event taking place.

see, you have to look at each individual item, dismiss it individually as 'coincidence' and disregard the jigsaw that those coincidences create overall, that's just troooooofer talk.
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This wasn't a government excercise, it was a private company doing some sort of contingency planning with a private sector consultant. So it would have been hard for the government to hide behind it.
 
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