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Declassified NWO documents

T.A.M. said:
I agree, likely because they were concerned that too many arab men boarding flights at the same airport at the same time. As for security being lighter at the smaller airport, not sure it holds true.

While reading this same document, however, another issue came up...

Now do not get me wrong, I am not "becoming a truther" or anything close, but one thing that puzzled me was the contents of Atta's luggage, held back, and thus not placed aboard AA11.

It contained a copy of the Koran, A tape on how to fly a 757, a folding knife, and a distance measuring ruler.

What strikes me as odd is (A) why put these things aboard your luggage if your are intent on killing yourself and destroying the plane which they will be on, (B) the destruction of the Koran - seems a bit odd to destroy ones own religious text.

Anyway, just one of those things that strikes me as odd...20/20 hindsight wise.

TAM:)
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It may simply have been contingency planning in case the hijacking didn't go through for some reason.
 
Firestone said:
It may simply have been contingency planning in case the hijacking didn't go through for some reason.
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This is quite possible, if something unforseen had occured, such as a pair of US Marshals getting on the plane to transport a felon from the East Coast to the West Coast, that would have stopped the plan in its tracks and they would have needed those things at the other end.
 
Thanks all of you for the thoughts on why he took those things with him...they all make sense as possible reasons.

The devil's advocate though, if something went bad, and he was unable to execute the plan, was he not at risk for the FBI etc...to confiscate his luggage and use said evidence against him in a court of law? dumping it in a couple of trash bins a few blocks from each other might have been better if he was trying to destroy any evidence in case of the plans going sour.

just playing the advocate here.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Thanks all of you for the thoughts on why he took those things with him...they all make sense as possible reasons.

The devil's advocate though, if something went bad, and he was unable to execute the plan, was he not at risk for the FBI etc...to confiscate his luggage and use said evidence against him in a court of law? dumping it in a couple of trash bins a few blocks from each other might have been better if he was trying to destroy any evidence in case of the plans going sour.

just playing the advocate here.

TAM:)
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Only if the FBI knew who he was and where he was. They might have simply booked flights out of the country as soon as they disembarked, after all they were carrying their passports. While we know that the airports were shut down as a result of the attacks, had only the last three occured this might not have happened, and there was no way to know that the US would close its airspace after the attacks, they may have figured that if things went wrong they would be able to be out of the country by that night, just as Yousef was after the 1993 WTC Bombing.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Only if the FBI knew who he was and where he was. They might have simply booked flights out of the country as soon as they disembarked, after all they were carrying their passports. While we know that the airports were shut down as a result of the attacks, had only the last three occured this might not have happened, and there was no way to know that the US would close its airspace after the attacks, they may have figured that if things went wrong they would be able to be out of the country by that night, just as Yousef was after the 1993 WTC Bombing.
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Perhaps, but lets say that at airport security, something comes up, he raises more than usual suspicion, or lets say one of his team members panics and the flight is delayed. Authorities could get info that something was up, put two and two together and search his luggage.

Remember, I am playing the devil's advocate here.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Perhaps, but lets say that at airport security, something comes up, he raises more than usual suspicion, or lets say one of his team members panics and the flight is delayed. Authorities could get info that something was up, put two and two together and search his luggage.

Remember, I am playing the devil's advocate here.

TAM:)
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Well even if they did search it:

A Koran - He's muslim, why wouldn't he carry one?
A folding knife - hardly a threat when in the checked in luggage and perfectly legal
A tape on flying a 757 - He had a commercial pilot's licence, he could have claimed that he was planning to learn to flight passangers in the middle east
A distance measuring ruler - Why would this be suspicious?
His will - Again, why would it be suspicious? He was a traveller in a country with a foreign culture, having his will with him containing instruction on how to handle him on his death would not really be considered unusual.

Nothing actually points to a hijacker.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Well even if they did search it:

A Koran - He's muslim, why wouldn't he carry one?
A folding knife - hardly a threat when in the checked in luggage and perfectly legal
A tape on flying a 757 - He had a commercial pilot's licence, he could have claimed that he was planning to learn to flight passangers in the middle east
A distance measuring ruler - Why would this be suspicious?
His will - Again, why would it be suspicious? He was a traveller in a country with a foreign culture, having his will with him containing instruction on how to handle him on his death would not really be considered unusual.

Nothing actually points to a hijacker.
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Oh crap. I just searched for an old thread that had a link to a YouTube video where the man who checked in Atta's lugguage was on Ophra. But the video is taken off YouTube.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64011

Iirc (paraphrasing here) the man told that he thought Atta, with the angry look in his eyes/eyes full of hatred, looked like a typical terrorist. But then, he didn't want to profile someone just because he was Arabic.

This was POST 9/11, a different era.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Well even if they did search it:

A Koran - He's muslim, why wouldn't he carry one?
A folding knife - hardly a threat when in the checked in luggage and perfectly legal
A tape on flying a 757 - He had a commercial pilot's licence, he could have claimed that he was planning to learn to flight passangers in the middle east
A distance measuring ruler - Why would this be suspicious?
His will - Again, why would it be suspicious? He was a traveller in a country with a foreign culture, having his will with him containing instruction on how to handle him on his death would not really be considered unusual.

Nothing actually points to a hijacker.
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In most scenarios, it certainly wouldn't be "damning" evidence, but I think it would have been suspicious enough to a fair number of agents...my point is why would he risk it...I guess we will never know.

TAM:)
 
Bell said:
Oh crap. I just searched for an old thread that had a link to a YouTube video where the man who checked in Atta's lugguage was on Ophra. But the video is taken off YouTube.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64011

Iirc (paraphrasing here) the man told that he thought Atta, with the angry look in his eyes/eyes full of hatred, looked like a typical terrorist. But then, he didn't want to profile someone just because he was Arabic.

This was POST 9/11, a different era.
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Dang! I mean PRE 9/11 :rolleyes:
 
T.A.M. said:
In most scenarios, it certainly wouldn't be "damning" evidence, but I think it would have been suspicious enough to a fair number of agents...my point is why would he risk it...I guess we will never know.

TAM:)
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Perhaps had the other planes hit their targets then it might have been, but unlikely anything that he couldn't have talked his way out of. Remember we're talking pre-9/11 there. One of the Hijackers, Jarrah, was intercepted in the UAE on his way from Pakistan to Hamburg after his training in Afghanistan. The border agents in Dubai were suspicious because he'd just come back from Pakistan after a long stay, he was carrying a lot of religious materials and some materials on learning to fly. They held him and contacted US authorities who considered it, determined that he wasn't anyone they had on their radar screens, thanked the UAE guys for the heads up, telling them that they'd keep him under surveillance and that they could let him go. (It was one of many missed opportunities the US had to stop 9/11 before it happened that they missed out of pure ignorance and incompetence.) The world pre-9/11 was a very different place and the sorts of materials that Atta was carrying on 9/11 would have hardly raised an eyebrow to agents, even if they'd bothered searching his bags. Remember that had he landed, the bags would have been coming off a domestic flight. To go on to an International one, all he would have had to do was collect his bag, exit the arrivals up the escalators to the departures, buy a ticket, check in the bag and get to the flight. No one would have been doing bag searches on the way, that's something they brought in post-9/11.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Well even if they did search it:

A Koran - He's muslim, why wouldn't he carry one?
A folding knife - hardly a threat when in the checked in luggage and perfectly legal
A tape on flying a 757 - He had a commercial pilot's licence, he could have claimed that he was planning to learn to flight passangers in the middle east
A distance measuring ruler - Why would this be suspicious?
His will - Again, why would it be suspicious? He was a traveller in a country with a foreign culture, having his will with him containing instruction on how to handle him on his death would not really be considered unusual.

Nothing actually points to a hijacker.
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I had found a piece at Worldnet Daily a while back regarding Atta's luggage that might be useful in this thread.
According to the article, Atta fully intended to carry on some of the luggage that was susequently checked in due to size and quantity rules.
Here's the article

A brief quote from the article:
One suitcase had Atta's earthly belongings, including many things he used or wanted to use in his mass-murdering plot, while the other contained his spiritual requirements to enter paradise.
"It was clear to us he did not want to check those bags," the American employee said.
Indeed, Atta intended to carry on all three of the bags he initially brought with him to Portland International Jetport in Maine earlier that morning, sources there say.
But Atta was forced to check his two larger bags, described as soft-sided with roller boards, because the 19-seat commuter plane he flew to Boston allows passengers just one carry-on bag each, says a US Airways Express employee who works at the ticket counter where Atta checked in.
The two bags were tagged for final destination to Los Angeles International Airport, which is where Flight 11 had been bound.
Both Atta and his traveling companion and fellow hijacker, Abdulaziz Alomari, boarded US Airways Express Flight 5930 with one carry-on each.
Their carry-ons also contained papers, says a passenger who was seated two rows in front of Atta on the shuttle flight.
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Bolded emphasis mine.
 
Very interesting article. Perhaps this explains the Koran. Is it needed to be with you when you die in order to enter heaven in Islamic tradition?

TAM:)
 
As to the OP subject, NWO documents, it seems that everytime I hear AJ ranting about "declassified secret documents", he nearly always makes reference to "Operation Northwoods" from the 1960's and Kennedy's administration IIRC.:rolleyes:
 
T.A.M. said:
Very interesting article. Perhaps this explains the Koran. Is it needed to be with you when you die in order to enter heaven in Islamic tradition?

TAM:)
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I honestly don't know for sure if it is necessary to have your Koran with you to get the 72 virgins, though it seems apparent Atta wanted to be well dressed when he got there.
 
Interesting, an article linked at the bottom of the article you listed, concerns that "memo" where an AA rep states that one of the attendants stated a passenger in 10B shot a passenger in 9B.

Interesting because this was used as "proof of guns", yet the article indicates (1) The memo was a first draft, (2) spokespeople have since said the reference to the gun was a mistake, and (3) the time of the shooting, according to the same memo, was 9:20AM (34 minutes AFTER AA11 crashed into the Tower).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26626

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Interesting, an article linked at the bottom of the article you listed, concerns that "memo" where an AA rep states that one of the attendants stated a passenger in 10B shot a passenger in 9B.

Interesting because this was used as "proof of guns", yet the article indicates (1) The memo was a first draft, (2) spokespeople have since said the reference to the gun was a mistake, and (3) the time of the shooting, according to the same memo, was 9:20AM (34 minutes AFTER AA11 crashed into the Tower).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26626

TAM:)
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That seems to be the sort of article some troothers might latch onto as sacred text. Though when one sees the memo with a time stamp of 5:30 p.m. on 9-11-01 it becomes clear that the crisis was still playing itself out, and amidst the confusion, mistakes were made in trying to assess what was happenning, though those mistakes were corrected as the picture became clearer.
 
I have just listened to it...alot of it is simply a restatement of his claims, but it is interesting that he admits to all of it, and states he is currently under no duress. It is quite eery to hear his voice (never heard him speak that I can recall), and to hear his comments.

TAM:)
 
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