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[Ed.] Ziad Jarrah, second doubts?

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Inspired by the thread Final Moments of Flight 93 and Hasib Hussains final hour.


Watching The Flight That Fought Back and United 93, as well as reading facts here and there, I've long since wondered...

Did Ziad Jarrah had second doubts about the attacks?

Ziad and Atta started to grew away from eachother.
He called his girlfriend to say goodbye before he boarded.
The hijacking of UA93 took much longer to initiate than the other 3 flight.
Ziad asking for advise what to do when the passengers started their attack.

From what I have seen and read (yes I know, there's reenactments in there) I have a feeling that Ziad had indeed second doubts about the attacks. When the hijacking finally started, he possibly was driven by the determination of the other hijackers.

I dunno...

I would like to hear your take on this.


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No Arab names are on the passenger manifests, so Ziad Jarrah was never on Flight 93, so what you're asking is impossible to answer.
 
No prize was ever found in the box of cornflakes, so no prize ever really existed...

TAM;)
 
United 93 raised the same issue, with one of the other hijackers hectoring Jarrah prior to the actual hijacking that they had to act soon.
 
National Geographic's "Inside 9/11" also says he may have be not as fully commited, as the others. IIRC he was the only one of the hijackers who was married. I may be wrong on that.
 
CptColumbo said:
National Geographic's "Inside 9/11" also says he may have be not as fully commited, as the others. IIRC he was the only one of the hijackers who was married. I may be wrong on that.
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Iirc he was engaged and about to get married. Dang, I have a bad brain for remembering these facts.
 
Brainster said:
United 93 raised the same issue, with one of the other hijackers hectoring Jarrah prior to the actual hijacking that they had to act soon.
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Yep. And since it seems so big a fact, that was among the things that made me wonder.
 
After working through the transcript, I disagree with the idea of a reluctant Jarrah. Why the delay in takeover, I don't know. But this was the weakest team (four vs. five) and the transcript seems to have Jarrah working overtime to calm Saeed down and keep him involved in what was happening (that's what I think the questioning was all about). Because it was only going to be four, the leader would have to be one of the most charismatic of the hijackers, and Jarrah was that by far. He was one of the original four friends from the Al Quds Mosque, and there's a video of him with Atta that shows just how into this he was (they both have beards). There's another video of him I've seen where he's dancing at a party. You might look and see someone enjoying himself having a good time, and he is, but he's also looking around, making sure that everyone's having a good time. He's being a catalyst for the social situation. That's what Jarrah was all about.

Jarrah's was the last team that would have been alive, and if they had not succeeded in killing themselves or even defected, the intelligence gathered from them would have completely destroyed Al Qaeda. Far from being the weakest link, I think Jarrah was beyond reproach for the hijackers. If there had been the slightest doubt about him from his fellows, he would have been the pilot of the second or third plane (which is where Hani the outsider ended up). He was there to hold the fourth-stringers together, and I think that's exactly what he did to the end.
 
boloboffin said:
After working through the transcript, I disagree with the idea of a reluctant Jarrah. Why the delay in takeover, I don't know. But this was the weakest team (four vs. five) and the transcript seems to have Jarrah working overtime to calm Saeed down and keep him involved in what was happening (that's what I think the questioning was all about). Because it was only going to be four, the leader would have to be one of the most charismatic of the hijackers, and Jarrah was that by far. He was one of the original four friends from the Al Quds Mosque, and there's a video of him with Atta that shows just how into this he was (they both have beards). There's another video of him I've seen where he's dancing at a party. You might look and see someone enjoying himself having a good time, and he is, but he's also looking around, making sure that everyone's having a good time. He's being a catalyst for the social situation. That's what Jarrah was all about.

Jarrah's was the last team that would have been alive, and if they had not succeeded in killing themselves or even defected, the intelligence gathered from them would have completely destroyed Al Qaeda. Far from being the weakest link, I think Jarrah was beyond reproach for the hijackers. If there had been the slightest doubt about him from his fellows, he would have been the pilot of the second or third plane (which is where Hani the outsider ended up). He was there to hold the fourth-stringers together, and I think that's exactly what he did to the end.
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if the take off had not been delayed, would they still have been the last group alive (I ask as this seems to be part of your reasoning in him being soundly loyal)?

TAM:)
 
boloboffin said:
Jarrah's was the last team that would have been alive,....
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Not necessarily according to the 9/11 Commission:
The hijackers had planned to take flights scheduled to depart at 7:45 (American 11), 8:00 (United 175 and United 93), and 8:10 (American 77). Three of the flights had actually taken off within 10 to 15 minutes of their planned departure times. United 93 would ordinarily have taken off about 15 minutes after pulling away from the gate. When it left the ground at 8:42, the flight was running more than 25 minutes late.63
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Well, that does give a bit of pause to my thinking, but still I'm going with United 93 intended to be the last plane airborne. No one in Al Qaeda had any idea that the towers would fall, and their planned climactic shot beamed around the world was meant to be 93 cruising down the Mall and slamming into the Rotunda (my embellishment, but the Capitol was the likely target).

And that would explain the delay in taking over 93. The longer flight path would have assured 93 of being the last plane to crash. Has there been evidence of the hijackers being able to communicate on the tarmac? 93 had taken off just before 11 hit the North Tower. How else could they have communicated delays of individual planes?
 
Salamualyakum Ganim Ayselim: (Arabic wording)

First of all, I want to you to know and be sure that I love you with all my heart. You must not doubt my love for you. I love you and I will love you forever; Habibi, Hayatim, Askim, Ganim, Albi; inte Habibi? I do not want you to be sad, I am still alive somewhere where you cannot see and hear me, but I will see you and know how you are doing. I will wait for you until you come to me. There comes a time for everyone to make a move. It is my fault that I gave you so many hopes about marriage, wedding, children, family and many other things.

I am what you wish for, but unfortunately you must wait a little bit until we will be together again. I did not flee from you, but did what I was supposed to do. You ought to be very proud, because it is an honor and you will see the result(s) and everybody will be happy.

I want you to stay as strong as I know you can be. Do what you were meant to do, keep your head up, but with a goal, never without a goal, you must always have a goal; always think “what for, why”. Always remember who and what you are. Stay strong, winners always carry their heads up high!

Hold on to what you have until we meet again, and then we will have a wonderful eternal life without any problems and sadness, in palaces of gold and silver and so much more. I did not leave you on your own. Allah is with you and your parents. Whenever you need anything ask Him. He listens and knows what is inside you.

Our prophet (S.A.S.) said: “He, who has no woman, is a poor man and she, who has no man, is a poor woman”. I will still come and get you, and if you get married, go ahead, have no fear. But as you know, I do not like all men…

Think about what you are and who deserves you.

I am taking you into my arms and kiss your hands and your head. I thank you and apologize for the wonderful, difficult five years that you have spent with me. Your patience will be rewarded, the Genat inscha Allah…

I am your prince and I will come for you.

Good-bye!

Your man for life,

Ziad Jarrah

September 10, 2001
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Seems like he knew he was going to do it.

Strange, It's very sweet. Shows what a complex word 'evil' is.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
Seems like he knew he was going to do it.
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Yes indeed, I don't doubt that. But planning and preparing for a certain action against actually carrying it out is quite a difference. I could imagine Ziad entering the plane, seeing all the other passengers and the reality of what was to happened unfolding to him, hitting home. Again, this is all my speculation.

Strange, It's very sweet. Shows what a complex word 'evil' is.
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Very compelling letter.
 
boloboffin said:
Well, that does give a bit of pause to my thinking, but still I'm going with United 93 intended to be the last plane airborne. No one in Al Qaeda had any idea that the towers would fall, and their planned climactic shot beamed around the world was meant to be 93 cruising down the Mall and slamming into the Rotunda (my embellishment, but the Capitol was the likely target).
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What's the Rotunda?

And that would explain the delay in taking over 93. The longer flight path would have assured 93 of being the last plane to crash. Has there been evidence of the hijackers being able to communicate on the tarmac? 93 had taken off just before 11 hit the North Tower. How else could they have communicated delays of individual planes?
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Afaik there was only communication between Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi (UA175) before those flight took of. It is not known what was said between them.
 
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