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Flight 175 plane speed challenged

ZENSMACK89 said:
What you sate above aren't facts these are opinions and assertions. If the record shows anything about 9/11 it's complete and utter confusion period.
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How would you know if those are facts or not without checking ?

You seem to be hell-bent on simply hand-waving what people post by calling it "assertions".

ZENSMACK89 said:
And this is about the tenth time I've pointed out I don't need to present an alternative version of events or CT to point out the flaws and lack of evidence in your official CT.
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I didn't ask you to. I told you that your modus operandi is merely saying "this isn't proof". It's unhealthy skepticism because you don't believe stuff for the sole sake of not believing. Basically, we're all having this discussion:

Me: "Hey, Zen. I met with a friend of mine, yesterday, and..."
Zen: "Wait! How do I know you REALLY met with a friend ?"
Me: "Well, I'm telling you..."
Zen: "That's not proof of anything."
Me: "There were witnesses, if that's what you..."
Zen: "They could be lying."
Me: "Er... why would they ?"
Zen: "Who knows ? The thing is it's possible."
Me: "Sure, but..."
Ze: "I don't have to prove that you didn't; just that your theory is flawed."

Perhaps you can see the flaw in THAT way of thinking.
 
This is no longer about aircraft speed. This is about ZS89 demanding hermetic, airtight chain of custody for an event that goes way beyond Grissom and Sarah collecting some blood spatter with those little Q-tips. Which is simply not possible in this or any world.

What we have to humiliate ZS89, however, is a PREPONDERANCE of evidence.

One might plant human remains in a truck or two, but remains were found in hundreds of trucks, and right at the site too, so the shenanigans ZS89 suggests are simply physically impossible to have accomplished.

And ZS89 should go home now. I think I heard his Mom calling.
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
We are talking about flight 175 and the 12 victims who were supposedly identified from that flight. Which BTW is not 40%. There were 65 people on flight 175 so 12 would only be around 18%. Nothing you linked shows the specific chain of custody of the remains and DNA of those 12 victims which besides the point wouldn't identify the object that hit the tower anyway.
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You must be a hoot at fishermen's parties.

"I caught a really big one, the other day."
 
chillzero said:
I wish I had found this earlier:

http://www.apwa.net/Publications/Re...AY=ISSUE&ISSUE_DATE=032004&ARTICLE_NUMBER=770
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When I say it was covered I mean here on this thread. Whatever they did they failed to find any remains of many victims.

nearly 2,800 victims
fewer than 300 whole bodies found
fewer than 1,600 victims identified
over 1,100 victims remain unidentified
over 800 victims identified by DNA alone
nearly 20,000 pieces of bodies found
over 6,000 pieces small enough to fit in test-tubes
over 200 pieces matched to single person
nearly 10,000 unidentified pieces frozen for future analysis

As for how they did it don't take my word for it I already posted this once here it is again...

http://firefightingnews.com/article-US.cfm?articleID=27125

Firefighters Union Letter On Rudy Giuliani
March 8, 2007

The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten.

In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point.

Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial.

Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.

In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains.

And in the end none of it is a means to identify what hit the tower.
 
BenBurch said:
This is no longer about aircraft speed. This is about ZS89 demanding hermetic, airtight chain of custody for an event that goes way beyond Grissom and Sarah collecting some blood spatter with those little Q-tips. Which is simply not possible in this or any world.
What we have to humiliate ZS89, however, is a PREPONDERANCE of evidence.

One might plant human remains in a truck or two, but remains were found in hundreds of trucks, and right at the site too, so the shenanigans ZS89 suggests are simply physically impossible to have accomplished.

And ZS89 should go home now. I think I heard his Mom calling.
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Demanding? I understand it wasn't possible to have a full chain of custody with the manner in which they cleaned up the WTC site but I'm also not the one offering it up as evidence of what hit the tower.

Now I've heard this kind of excuse time and time again by supporters of the official CT on different topics. They couldn't do this or they couldn't do that... it was the first time in history planes were used as weapons and caused that kind of destruction... and yadda yadda yadda...

So it’s simply physically impossible to have accomplished. Whatever, so they couldn't. It's not evidence of anything except what they couldn't do. So don’t offer it up as evidence. You don’t have evidence you have excuses and apologies for your official CT.
 
BenBurch said:
This is no longer about aircraft speed.
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This is a good point. Let's return to that issue.

So, Zen, are you still clinging to your assertion that the aircraft could not physically go the speed that has been claimed for it?
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
And this is about the tenth time I've pointed out I don't need to present an alternative version of events or CT to point out the flaws and lack of evidence in your official CT.
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You have to "present an alternative version of events or [a] CT" if you want anyone to listen to you, especially outside in the real world.

But I should worry/ I should fret/ I should marry a suffragette.
 
Corsair 115 said:
This is a good point. Let's return to that issue.

So, Zen, are you still clinging to your assertion that the aircraft could not physically go the speed that has been claimed for it?
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The phone calls in the OP weren't made to me they were made to Boeing. They are the ones who claim the plane couldn't go as fast as the official CT claims. To you listen to them?
 
SDC said:
You have to "present an alternative version of events or [a] CT" if you want anyone to listen to you, especially outside in the real world.

But I should worry/ I should fret/ I should marry a suffragette.
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And you don't have to post here if you don't want to listen to what you claim is BS. Move along you have nothing.
 
Zen

Why does a plane travel faster in a dive than flat and level at the same throttle settings?

Why can a motor car exceed its normal top speed going downhill?

Why does an apple fall from a tree?

Why do you insist with keeping this juvenile charade of a thread going if you will offer nothing?

This thread is a goldmine for lurkers to see the mentality and lack of logic that truthers display in the face of evidence.

By all means carry on and turn a few more over to the Official story
 
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