Flight 175 plane speed challenged

ZENSMACK89 said:
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006; Page A0

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not hijacked until 12 minutes later. The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.
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Are you ever going to make your point? What does the phantom AA11 have to do with UA175?

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Yes at one point some of them thought it must be NORAD fighters because it turned away from the White House. Very true.

What, may I ask, do you think the significance of that is, in particular how it relates to UA175, which is what this thread is about.

-Gumboot
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What's the significance? You asked I answered. You are insinuating that everyone knew exactly what they were tracking on 9/11. You even called me a liar for saying they didn't.

They didn't know for sure and they still don't.
 
gumboot said:
Are you ever going to make your point? What does the phantom AA11 have to do with UA175?

-Gumboot
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They were all hijacked on 9/11 by the same group with the same plan according to the official version. Now if the FAA didn't know what they were tracking in regards to the other planes how do you know for sure they did with 175?
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
What's the significance? You asked I answered. You are insinuating that everyone knew exactly what they were tracking on 9/11. You even called me a liar for saying they didn't.

They didn't know for sure and they still don't.
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gumboot can correct me if im wrong, but i beleive after the fact they were able to look back at recordings of the radar tracks and follow the blips more carefully to confirm that it was in fact the aircraft they thought it was

why do truthers seem to believe that everything that is, was and will be known about 9/11 was learned on 9/11 itself, and that no new information could have been found afterward?
 
maxpower1227 said:
WHY are you people still feeding this troll? Hasn't his game become painfully transparent by now?
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Just in case some people missed it. I won't bug you guys with it any more. If you want to keep ramming your head into a wall, have at it. I prefer not to give myself brain damage.
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
They were all hijacked on 9/11 by the same group with the same plan according to the official version. Now if the FAA didn't know what they were tracking in regards to the other planes how do you know for sure they did with 175?
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I'll ask again. How is the phantom AA11 evidence that the FAA did not know what they were tracking? Please answer this time.

-Gumboot
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
Everything you've posted so far seems to fall short of anything that would even resemble evidence of what hit the tower. I don't need to provide an alternative with all the details to dispute your unproven official CT. Just like if you were able to ever debunk an alternative CT it still would not make your CT anymore true.
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All I am saying is, if it wasn't Flight 175, what was it? You have 58 passengers and crew to account for, you have a flight that never landed nor responded when ATCs were calling them. Its the process of elimination, each flight was accounted for except those 4 flights when they ordered the all flights to be landed.


As I suggested before, why don't you contact an ATC or an ATCC and ask them your questions.


Ok that's honest. But do you really think it's logical that they serve no purpose in positively tracking a plane?
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you take it off no body knows who you are but with an aircraft that is tracked constantly by radar and the screen is monitored constantly by an ATC and he/she knows what planes they have on their scope than its a process of elimination.
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
They were all hijacked on 9/11 by the same group with the same plan according to the official version. Now if the FAA didn't know what they were tracking in regards to the other planes how do you know for sure they did with 175?
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f77 was off radar for a period after being hijacked

f175 was never off radar
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
That's not known for sure with a changing code and a screen full of planes.
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see my previous post:

defaultdotxbe said:
gumboot can correct me if im wrong, but i beleive after the fact they were able to look back at recordings of the radar tracks and follow the blips more carefully to confirm that it was in fact the aircraft they thought it was

why do truthers seem to believe that everything that is, was and will be known about 9/11 was learned on 9/11 itself, and that no new information could have been found afterward?
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NYCEMT86 said:
All I am saying is, if it wasn't Flight 175, what was it? You have 58 passengers and crew to account for, you have a flight that never landed nor responded when ATCs were calling them. Its the process of elimination, each flight was accounted for except those 4 flights when they ordered the all flights to be landed.
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Even in the official version only 12 remains were identified and none of the plane parts matched to serial numbers or maintence records.

NYCEMT86 said:
As I suggested before, why don't you contact an ATC or an ATCC and ask them your questions.
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For what? The ones who will talk are on the record and none of it proves they knew what they were tracking.

NYCEMT86 said:
you take it off no body knows who you are but with an aircraft that is tracked constantly by radar and the screen is monitored constantly by an ATC and he/she knows what planes they have on their scope than its a process of elimination.
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So why didn't they? How did they think flight 77 was a fighter jet? And how many possible hijacked planes were they dealing with that day?
 
defaultdotxbe said:
see my previous post:
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It doesn't work for possible merged and splitting blips with changing, swapping, or disappearing transponder codes.

Besides that's way after the fact and doesn't prove anything in light of the false testimony given to the 9/11 commission by both the FAA and NORAD.
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
How does NORAD know where to go when they take off after a Phantom Jet Gumboot?
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The Otis fighters were directed towards Washington DC while the Langley fighters were given a Z-point over Baltimore.

-Gumboot
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
It doesn't work for possible merged and splitting blips with changing, swapping, or disappearing transponder codes.
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transponder codes dont make a difference on primary radar

and when did the f175 blip "merge" with any others? surely you wouldnt assume this without having seen it with your own eyes (since you seem to want to see everything else for yourself)

Besides that's way after the fact and doesn't prove anything in light of the false testimony given to the 9/11 commission by both the FAA and NORAD.
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your bias is showing
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
Even in the official version only 12 remains were identified and none of the plane parts matched to serial numbers or maintence records.
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Why are you lying? Do you think that the fate of Flight 175 is a mystery in the world of sane, rational adults?
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
It doesn't work for possible merged and splitting blips with changing, swapping, or disappearing transponder codes.
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Three of the four flights on 9/11 were constantly tracked on radar from the moment of hijacking right until the moment they crashed.

What was different about the fourth flight?

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
The Otis fighters were directed towards Washington DC while the Langley fighters were given a Z-point over Baltimore.

-Gumboot
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Based on info from who? For instance who notfies them to tell them which plane might be hijacked?
 
defaultdotxbe said:
transponder codes dont make a difference on primary radar
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That's correct if all you need to do is track an unidentified blip.

defaultdotxbe said:
and when did the f175 blip "merge" with any others? surely you wouldnt assume this without having seen it with your own eyes (since you seem to want to see everything else for yourself)
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It could have at anytime if it wasn't sending out it's own code or was changing codes.

defaultdotxbe said:
your bias is showing
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Did I really need to post this again?

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
 
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