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Why is homosexuality wrong?

zombiebex said:
I've got a bit of a theory as to where the "homosexuality is wrong" comes from, and it has a lot to do with the Christian guilt and hatred of sexuality. We're not supposed to enjoy sex, as awesome as it is, it's just supposed to be this dirty thing we have to do to make kids.

Now, two members of the same gender having sex are having sex for pleasure -GASP!- rather than it's "intended" purpose. So that's strike one.

Next next "evil" that is in homosexuality has to do with homosexual men. When Fundies talk about the evils of homosexuality, they nearly always talk about gay men. This has a lot to do with how we define men and women in our nutty Puritanical patriarchal culture. Women are sexual. Women possess all the sexuality, and must be "conquered" for sex. A woman is to be desired for sex and used for sex by a man. So a man who would possess sexuality that he can willingly give to a partner like a woman just screws up all definitions of what is man and what is woman.

Another issue is rape, tying in with the definitions of man and woman. A woman who is lower than man, who is less than man, who is to be used for sex... a woman can be raped. A man cannot, or rather by the "definitions," should not be raped. Enter in the very idea that a man can be violated in the same way as a woman, can be lowered to the standard that is "woman," can be terrifying.

So, it's all about shame, guilt, power over women, and the sexes needing to be clearly defined as either one or the other.
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Are you saying that the Bible is not inspired by or the word of God?
Shame on you for truth.

Why do right thinking (in most cases) Christians buy into God acting inappropriately and against His usual mod-us operandi?

Regards
DL
 
The Atheist said:
Bollocks. It's completely in keeping with the christian god's ideas of justice and fairness:

"The world is wicked, so I'm going to kill everyone, including all of the innocent children, drowning them in their cribs!" Genesis 6:7

"Dirty fags! I'm going to kill all the children in Sodom as well!" Genesis 19:24

"Incest, the family game!" Genesis 19:31

"You're an atheist! I'm going to kill you and all of your descendants for the next FOUR generations, you scum!" Exodus 20:5

"People with leprosy are unclean and unworthy of me." Leviticus 13:3
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Yes, those who read the Bible literally have a lot of juggling of verse to do to come up with a loving God.

No wonder they drop a lot of balls and eventually stop trying to justify their God.

I do not read the Bible literally and can find God within it's pages.
There is no doubt that the Bible is now our tree of knowledge of good and evil.
We just need to dither out who is saying what.
It has always been so.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
You are hurt by showing your failings.
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No, I'm not. Coveting isn't a failing, and in fact, it might actually be a virtue. (I covet that candy-apple red sports car my neighbor drives, so I will put in more time at the office to get the raise so I can afford one just like it.) I'm not only not hurt, but I"m actually helped by my covetousness.

What does this have to do with the question?
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it illustrates that your question is based upon a false premise. Not all of God's commandments are based upon the idea that there is a victim, therefore there is not necessarily a "victim" involved in any given prohibition. Just as no one is injured by the act of coveting or worshiping idols, there need not be anyone hurt by (consentual) homosexuality.

I would go further, of course, and state directly that there is no victim.
 
bluharmony said:
Just about all of you took the words right out of my mouth -- it isn't wrong, period. Moreover, most mammals exhibit this behavior. And given our exponential population growth and the many unwanted children all over the world, it may even be part of the solution to some of the problems we've created on our planet in the last few centuries or so.

Who cares what the bible says about homosexuality? Certainly the bible not a reliable source of information about, well, anything.
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If you were right then we would not be discussing this topic.

Regards
DL
 
darnell11 said:
I agree that homosexually isn't wrong. And I know that it does occur in nature, other mammals do it. But does that make it a natural behavior for humans? If there weren't any taboos of any kind, do you think most people would engage in it? Would you? Because I know there are gay people who only sleep with the same sex and vice versa.
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Some do, some don't, some mix it up.
Who is to say what is normal when there is no normal?

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
If you were right then we would not be discussing this topic.
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We might still be. Lots of people believe that other "holy writ" are the inerrant word of a deity and a reliable source of information. I assume that you feel that the Bible is a more reliable source of information on morals than, say, the Tao Te Ching or the Rig Veda. I have students who feel exactly the opposite way.

Why should I believe you, and not Xiaoling or Vijay?
 
Greatest I am said:
Some do, some don't, some mix it up.
Who is to say what is normal when there is no normal?

Regards
DL
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Noting the remarks in Mr Scott's post #81, and your title for this thread, it is possible that you might change your forum name to "Gayest I am" if the OP indicates your baseline stance.

Or not.

This was a guess.

DR
 
drkitten said:
No, I'm not. Coveting isn't a failing, and in fact, it might actually be a virtue. (I covet that candy-apple red sports car my neighbor drives, so I will put in more time at the office to get the raise so I can afford one just like it.) I'm not only not hurt, but I"m actually helped by my covetousness.



it illustrates that your question is based upon a false premise. Not all of God's commandments are based upon the idea that there is a victim, therefore there is not necessarily a "victim" involved in any given prohibition. Just as no one is injured by the act of coveting or worshiping idols, there need not be anyone hurt by (consentual) homosexuality.

I would go further, of course, and state directly that there is no victim.
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We agree here, so why would God discriminate without a reason?

Regards
DL
 
zombiebex said:
I've got a bit of a theory as to where the "homosexuality is wrong" comes from, and it has a lot to do with the Christian guilt and hatred of sexuality. We're not supposed to enjoy sex, as awesome as it is, it's just supposed to be this dirty thing we have to do to make kids.
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Too much thinking; it's much simpler than that.

To mate as much as possible, a male wants to be dominant. Sadly, they can do this by building themselves up (good) or tearing others down (bad).

"Hey, ladies, check out that guy. He's defective -- he doesn't find women sexually attractive! But I sure do!"

The rest is just cultural crap built on top of crap, with a healthy dose of "our group vs. theirs", which, again, sadly applies to many situations.

It isn't "homophobia". It's homo-hatred. :(
 
drkitten said:
We might still be. Lots of people believe that other "holy writ" are the inerrant word of a deity and a reliable source of information. I assume that you feel that the Bible is a more reliable source of information on morals than, say, the Tao Te Ching or the Rig Veda. I have students who feel exactly the opposite way.

Why should I believe you, and not Xiaoling or Vijay?
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All Bible are worthy of some respect.
In my philosophy we are all created by a Perfect God and are all destined for Heaven regardless of the name we give God.

I was questioning why God or the Bibles would go against the usual eye for an eye balance of justice and why they would discriminate against actions that do not produce victims. No complaint should equal no sin.

Regards
DL
 
Darth Rotor said:
Noting the remarks in Mr Scott's post #81, and your title for this thread, it is possible that you might change your forum name to "Gayest I am" if the OP indicates your baseline stance.

Or not.

This was a guess.

DR
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A poor one.

I nor any of my four boys are gay.
To me this is just luck of the draw and has nothing to do with what i or their mother did.

Regards
DL
 
drkitten said:
Because fictious entities created by small-minded people tend to be small-minded themselves. Look at the jealousy for which Zeus is legendary.
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This is OK for God but it does not tell us why so many people fall for the same crap and follow stupid trends.

Regards
DL
 
ponderingturtle said:
Fine I will generalize it to all bivalves except scallops. Also many crustations don't swim but walk.
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And it misses the point. They are sea dwellers.

But it does indicate the incredible problems with simplistic classification, which is one reason why those kosher laws seem so strange.
 
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