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“Keep Our Blood Simple”

Is it just me, or was not a single word in the "song" decipherable?
 
How can anybody seriously think the anti-VAXers are wrong?

Linux is free, powerful, and friendly enough for me. While I agree that Windoze does more to me than it does for me, it has made computing more accessible and effective for legions of button-clickers around the world.

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But oh no, conspiracy theories hurt nobody. They just keep kids from getting vaccinations. Right.

Not true!!! There is NO autism in (unvaccinated) Amish communities in the USA, while elsewhere in the USA 1 in every 60 children is now affected by some form of autism spectrum disorder.
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Very interesting if true. Could someone here comment on this? Isn't autism genetic? That'd explain it in a way.

I also know of a family in New Zealand where the older three children are vaccinated and autistic, and the younger three unvaccinated and normal. Coincidence?
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Yes. Way too few individuals observed to make a conclusion, and no way of knowing if it's the vaccination that was to blame.
 
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I like Darwin. As long as people are not allowed to murder their kids by denying vaccinations, it doesn't bother me if they do not choose to get them for themselves.
 
Sure, if vaccinations are to blame then it should be easy to conduct a double blind placebo controlled randomized study.

I'm still waiting.

And 3 autistic kids in one family? Thats more of an indicator of genetics then it is of vaccinations. After all, if I'd had three autistic kids and read about vaccinations I'd skip it on the younger three, but strings like these are common, which is why we use statistics.
 
Muppet said:
Sure, if vaccinations are to blame then it should be easy to conduct a double blind placebo controlled randomized study.

I'm still waiting.

<< SNIP >>
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I don't know about the ethics or feasibilty of a double-blind study but the epidemiological results are in.

To quote my government, from: http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/ID/PIDnote_Jun07.htm

Thus, the evidence is in, and the assessment of purported causality is clear. The MMR vaccine and immunization with thimerosal-containing vaccines are not causally associated with, nor are they a cause of, autism or ASD.
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Measles cases are supposed to be on the up in England and Wales last year (a lazy search only brings up that there were 77 cases for the whole of 2005 and 72 cases in the first 11 weeks of 2006. Anyone know what the total for the year was?). This has been directly linked (by my GP) to the falling numbers of people getting their children jabbed with the MMR.
My GP postulated that we had become better at recognising autism rather than numbers of people with autism actually rising. Does anyone know what these kids would have previously been labelled as?
 
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Measles cases are supposed to be on the up in England and Wales last year (a lazy search only brings up that there were 77 cases for the whole of 2005 and 72 cases in the first 11 weeks of 2006. Anyone know what the total for the year was?). This has been directly linked (by my GP) to the falling numbers of people getting their children jabbed with the MMR.
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According to this article 2006 had the first measles deaths in Britain for 14 years, and there were 100 cases in the first 4 months compared with 76 for 2005. ByJune 2006 there were more cases in single counties than there had been in the whole year previously.

These reports do seem to be rather sensationalist, since according to these figures there have been plenty of deaths due to measles. The difference is that the death described as the first in 14 years was due to accute measles, while most deaths previously were in older people from the late effects of measles infection.

Edit: This last link appears to be the official figures. Final figures often take a long time to be made public, so I suspect we won't be able to find a total figure for 2006 yet.

My GP postulated that we had become better at recognising autism rather than numbers of people with autism actually rising. Does anyone know what these kids would have previously been labelled as?
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Stupid. It's the same with things like dyslexia and asthma. The vast majority of the increase in cases is just that more people are being diagnosed. People who would previously have been regarded as stupid, or confined in asylums in the worst cases, are now recognised as having specific conditions and can be treated for them, or at least helped to function in society. Also, until fairly recently, proper health care was only for the rich. Millions of people were never diagnosed with anything because they never saw a doctor, or never even had the circumstances to know they had a problem. After all, how can you be recognised as dyslexic if you never learned to read in the first place?
 
Thanks for the links Cuddles. How long before no-one's just plain stupid anymore - they all have some disorder? What shall we call the tendancy of people to believe woo? All I can think of is 'woo-head' but that sounds a bit non-pc.... not to say I haven't been a bit woo-head in the past....
 
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Thanks for the links Cuddles. How long before no-one's just plain stupid anymore - they all have some disorder?
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Sadly, I think we've already started down that road. Children are no longer allowed to be children, they have to have ADD or something. People aren't eating unhealthy food, they have some kind of intolerance or allergy. There are even discussions about not being allowed to tell children they've failed tests, although admittedly most people don't take this seriously.

What shall we call the tendancy of people to believe woo? All I can think of is 'woo-head' but that sounds a bit non-pc.... not to say I haven't been a bit woo-head in the past....
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I think woo is generally used to mean both the beliefs and the people who hold them.
 
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