WTC 7 Question - why blow it up?

[DGM]

Swing;
The "truthers" did tell Jowenko that it was all done covertly right?

 

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by SD
The CT inside job theory of course supersedes the necessity of evidence as it can be explained as covered up and removed.

In another context this could be;
The creation of the universe theory supercedes the necessity of evidence as it can be explained as the action of an omnipotent being. In fact I have been told by believers in creation that creation is a much simpler explanation and covers absolutly all questions about the way the universe came to be what it is today. That is so very much like the CT claim that explosive use answers all questions as to why the buildings fell as they did.

Then there is the pesky effect on the way that justice is delivered which johnny karate outlined above.

 

[pomeroo]

Way to come with the facts. You can always be counted on.

Some of us have noticed that you haven't quite connected Larry Silverstein's insurance scam to the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's scheme to conquer the world for Halliburton. It would appear that the nexus of dots is a tad incomplete.

Not that you're just blowin' smoke or anything...

 

[pomeroo]

buka001

How where the charges laid?
When were they laid?
How did it go undiscovered?
How did the charges survive the fire?

Excellent questions. I think your questions illustrate that no one except the government could have pulled this off.

Your comment illustrates that you are a fantasist with unfalsifiable beliefs. Explain to us why the demolition specialists who claim that your fantasies are logistical near-impossibilities are wrong. What do you know that they don't.

 

[pomeroo]

Your entire scenario is one huge False Analogy as you are trying to compare two different events and treating them as one. Of course your example is demolished much like WTC 7 was...from the bottom up!

If you don't think it could be a CD or even rigged under the conditions of the day, take it up with Danny Jowenko.

Ah, Swingie, so you agree with Jowenko's expert analysis of the collapses of the Twin Towers? He believes, AS YOU KNOW, the mainstream account totally and says that the way those buildings fell does not resemble controlled demolitions. You now renounce the snake oil your fellow conspiracy liars have been peddling?

 

[PhantomWolf]

* The collapse of the main structure commences suddenly (several seconds after the penthouse falls).

Why did the Penthouse go? You do realise that it falls into the building below it, which means that there was an internal collapse occuring inside the building at least 6 seconds before the facade started to collapse? How do you drop the inside of the building before the facade in CD?

Note that the other penthouse was falling into the building's interior prior to the facade collapse starting as well. Explain this under CD.

* The building sinks in a precisely vertical manner into its footprint.

Explain why 30 West Broadway was so damaged by the collapse of WTC 7 that it had to be demolished then.

* Puffs of dust emerge from the building's facade early in the event.

No, it's damage to facade cause by the collapse of WTC 1. As the collapse starts it, appears darker then the rest of the facade and due to the poor quality if the video is assumed by CT's to be dust. This has been long debunked. BTW, if the building was CD'ed, then since the collapse was from the bottom, why would they use explosives on the top floors?

* The collapse is total, producing a rubble pile only about three stories high.

Actually it was more like 5-6, the bottom 3 floors were still semi intact. But how does this prove CD? Why wouldn't the building collapse into the same height pile regardless of how it fell? Buildings are 90% air you know. You might want to take a closer look at what is on top of the pile too. It's the Northern facade. How come that is on top of the pile of rubbble. Surely if the building fell as you claim, the roof should have been on top, not the north face.

* The main structure collapses totally in under 7 seconds, only about a second slower than it would take a brick dropped from the building's roof to reach the ground in a vacuum.

The main structure, or the Facade? If the main structure is still standing when the north face collapses, how did both Penthouses collaspe into the building?

 

[TerryUK]

Ah, Swingie, so you agree with Jowenko's expert analysis of the collapses of the Twin Towers? He believes, AS YOU KNOW, the mainstream account totally and says that the way those buildings fell does not resemble controlled demolitions. You now renounce the snake oil your fellow conspiracy liars have been peddling?

The 'Twin Towers' didn't look like CD, so why would he say otherwise?

WTC 7 did look like a CD, and Jowenko said it was definitely a CD, and he should know, being a professional in that field.
I would hazard a guess that ALL collapses that he's seen which look like that were CDs.

 

[Bell]

The 'Twin Towers' didn't look like CD, so why would he say otherwise?

NWO operative 1: "Rig up WTC1 and WTC2 as usual?"
NWO operative 2: "Nooon! What do you want, make it look too obvious?"

WTC 7 did look like a CD, and Jowenko said it was definitely a CD, and he should know, being a professional in that field.
I would hazard a guess that ALL collapses that he's seen which look like that were CDs.

NWO operative 1: "Rig up WTC7 like the WTC towers?"
NWO operative 2: "Why?"

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Well, given the first line of your post here...I'd say you're a shoo-in for a Stundie award.

Allright! So what do I win?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Who is the demo expert that supports the official version?

 

[TerryUK]

Who is the demo expert that supports the official version?

And doesn't the 'official' version say that collapse due to fire and debris damage is "of low probability" or words to that effect?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Some of us have noticed that you haven't quite connected Larry Silverstein's insurance scam to the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's scheme to conquer the world for Halliburton. It would appear that the nexus of dots is a tad incomplete.

Not that you're just blowin' smoke or anything...

I didn't know I was supposed to but if you insist....

http://www.100share.com/World-Trade-Center.htm

World Trade Center

Jul 1, 1997 12:00 PM
By CAROL CAREY

"After the bombing, we had the top security consultants in the nation, Kroll Associates, do a complete security analysis for us, and we followed their recommendations," says Douglas G. Karpiloff, program manager, security systems for the WTC. A 26-year veteran of the Port Authority, Karpiloff, a Certified Protection Professional, was general manager of tenant services after the bomb went off. He is responsible for the overall facility management of the $50 million security improvement program: $15 million in completed interim improvements and $35 million for permanent improvements, from the 250 multi-ton perimeter planters that prevent vehicles from crashing into the buildings, to the network of fiber optics and copper that will connect the redundant PCs and their multi-task, multi-user operating system to the lobby, parking and perimeter access control systems, alarms, intercom and CCTV systems.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....read/thread/763754c7ecf116f1/8006994c5a78b5f0

NY Governor Eliot Spitzer filed an amicus brief on 1/15/03 on behalf of the World Trade
Center's controversial lease-holder, the real estate magnate Larry Silverstein. This
document shows that Spitzer, as Attorney General, helped Silverstein get the whopping
$4.5 billion windfall for the 9/11 attacks. The record is clear: Spitzer helped reverse
a lower court's decision, by making credible Silverstein's argument that the two
different plane crashes on 9/11/01 should be compensated as two different terrorist
attacks.

Hicks' story also covers Governor Spitzer's recent scandals with police spying on rival
Joe Bruno, the Roger Stone voice mail threat, as well as new information and interviews
regarding the Spitzer links to Kroll executives Michael Cherkasky and Jerome Hauer.
Hicks hands in an original interview with Jerome Hauer, probing his documented links to
anthrax suspect Steven Hatfill. Hauer is widely believed to be the source of the White
House's foreknowledge about the anthrax attacks on 9/11/01.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12278

By November 2003, barely eight months after the invasion, there was an estimated 20 private security firms employing up to 15,000 private security contractors in Iraq protecting officials, supply convoys, oil wells, government buildings and private businesses, including banks. Some of the big players supplying private warriors included EOD Technologies, Omega Risk Solutions, Halliburton , DynCorp, Global Risk Strategies, Kroll Associates, SAS International, Special Operations Consulting, Blackwater, Edinburgh Risk Inc, and Armor Group. With business booming, a security contractor could make as much as $1000 a day tax-free for an array of duties.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

And doesn't the 'official' version say that collapse due to fire and debris damage is "of low probability" or words to that effect?

That's right...

http://www.wtc7.net/femareport.html

FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Simply amazing. My point was that "soviet agents (would have been) the only concern of the agencies housed in WTC7"???

Good Lord, man. Your comprehension skills are just awful. I really am embarrassed for you just now.

There is no Soviet Union genius so I really don't know what you meant.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Prior to 9/11, Zensmack, the primary concentration of the intelligence community (note: this is as I understand the situation) was on the Soviet Union. This can be evidenced by the fact that the military, up until 9/11, trained as if they were going to fight the Soviets eventually. BillyRay offered that as a legitimate example of what might have been considered at the time, HAD YOUR SCENARIO (at least, our interpretation of your ramblings) been the case. You asked for facts; there you go, I gave you some facts.

Really?

What year did the Soviet Union fall?

What year was the WTC site attacked for the second time?

And thirdly what the hell are you insinuating?

 

[yodaluver28]

The FEMA study was a preliminary report that was released less than a year after the attacks. Some of the debris hadn't even been cleaned up yet and they didn't have as much information about structural damage to WTC7 that NIST has. The NIST report is taking so long because there are alot of complex dynamics involved in this particular instance and they are still learning what happened, how and why. That's their job, to discover the details. That takes time in a complicated case. The Twin Towers study was far more straightforward, that's why it didn't take as long.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Who is the demo expert that supports the official version?

How would Brent Blanchard from Protec and Implosionworld, Van Romero who while saying that the towers did look like a CD also states that "fire triggered the collapses," plus Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc, do? Between them they'd have forgotten more about CD than the entire "Truth" Movement ever knew. But I guess they they have been paid off just like the hundreds of thousands of experts in structures and explosives who all agree that fire and planes did it, right, even those that disgree with NIST like Arup and Quintiere.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Very simple.

Any physical evidence. (So far, Truthers have none.)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html
Forensic Metallurgy
Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel

The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires. -Fema Appendix C, Limited Metallurgical Examination

A preponderance of eyewitness testimony from either before, during, or after the fact that explicitly and directly mentions explosives, related equipment, or people planting and/or removing such things. (So far, Truthers have none.)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/oralhistories/index.html

On August 12, 2005, the New York Times announced the release of more than 12,000 pages of oral histories in the form of transcripts of interviews with 503 firefighters and emergency medical responders.

The following pages excerpt passages from the accounts pertaining to the observation of aspects of the destruction of the Twin Towers.*

* Explosions
* Dust clouds
* Ground shaking

The accounts also contain numerous descriptions of advanced warnings that WTC 7 would collapse.

The majority opinion of the controlled demolition industry. (So far, Truthers have Danny Jowenko, who, unfortunately for the Truth, also happens to contradict their belief that WTC 1 and WTC were CD as well.)

http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/27474.htm

New Mexico Tech Explosives Expert 'Flip-Flops' On WTC Controlled Demo Theory; Refuses To Explain Why
First, the doctor of physics right after 9/11 said WTC brought down by explosive devices but later abruptly recanted. Federal Lawsuit contends he may have been unduly influenced by government officials with statements only being cleared up through legal discovery methods.
15 Jun 2005

http://www.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2002/4june02.html

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Senator Pete Domenici today reported that Van Romero of Socorro has been appointed by President Bush to serve on a White House commission aimed at closing the educational achievement gap for Hispanic American youth.

What would it take to convince you that WTC 7 was not a controlled demolition or a demolition by humans and just fire and debris damage?

A real investigation.

You were right. That was simple.

 

[TerryUK]

The FEMA study was a preliminary report that was released less than a year after the attacks. Some of the debris hadn't even been cleaned up yet and they didn't have as much information about structural damage to WTC7 that NIST has. The NIST report is taking so long because there are alot of complex dynamics involved in this particular instance and they are still learning what happened, how and why. That's their job, to discover the details. That takes time in a complicated case. The Twin Towers study was far more straightforward, that's why it didn't take as long.

So, regarding the cause of WTC 7 collapse, the answer is not an easily understandable, or straighforward one...

This begs the question:- why are so many OT JREFers absolutely certain it was due to fire and debis damage?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

How would Brent Blanchard from Protec and Implosionworld, Van Romero who while saying that the towers did look like a CD also states that "fire triggered the collapses," plus Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc, do? Between them they'd have forgotten more about CD than the entire "Truth" Movement ever knew. But I guess they they have been paid off just like the hundreds of thousands of experts in structures and explosives who all agree that fire and planes did it, right, even those that disgree with NIST like Arup and Quintiere.

I've asked you before. How is Blanchard an expert? If I were to publish Sports Illustrated would that make me a professional athlete? Were did Blanchard go to school? The same place Meigs went?

And stop with the Bush appointee will you?

http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.co...8131/27474.htm

New Mexico Tech Explosives Expert 'Flip-Flops' On WTC Controlled Demo Theory; Refuses To Explain Why
First, the doctor of physics right after 9/11 said WTC brought down by explosive devices but later abruptly recanted. Federal Lawsuit contends he may have been unduly influenced by government officials with statements only being cleared up through legal discovery methods.
15 Jun 2005

http://www.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2002/4june02.html

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Senator Pete Domenici today reported that Van Romero of Socorro has been appointed by President Bush to serve on a White House commission aimed at closing the educational achievement gap for Hispanic American youth.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

This Mark Loizeaux?

Molten Metal
Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

Reports of molten metal in the foundations of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers are frequently noted in literature of proponents of theories that the buildings were destroyed through controlled demolition. The most widely publicized report is one by American Free Press reporter Christopher Bollyn citing principals of two of the companies contracted to clean up Ground Zero. The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack.