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Time to kick Iran

RandFan said:
:eek: :rolleyes: :confused: :boggled: :eye-poppi :covereyes

Why? Till the day I day I won't understand your pathology toward America.
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That's easy. While Iran is a bunch of radical, religious, fanatic Neanderthals,
I don't accept this kind of Woo from Western, modern, freedom-loving
Americans as well.

Your point? ....
 
Oliver said:
I wasn't kidding. You have no evidence to back up your
fears against Ahmadinejad - while I have very convincing
reasons to distrust Bush and his team ....

The point is that you don't have convincing facts against
Ahmadinejad - besides speeches that are nothing but speeches.

That's why I suspect that you're Witch-Hunting rather than
using facts to build your opinions. No kidding here.
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In this particular instance, we were talking about why Ahmadinejad wasn't allowed to visit Ground Zero. I gave you my opinion, and you don't like it. OK.

Now I know where this is heading so I respectfully bow out.
 
Oliver said:
That's easy. While Iran is a bunch of radical, religious, fanatic Neanderthals,
I don't accept this kind of Woo from Western, modern, freedom-loving
Americans as well.

Your point? ....
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You've demonstrated NO woo that is comprable to the crap Iran's government bestows on its people.

That's dishonest.

Asserting something isn't proof of a damn thing.
 
Oliver said:
Blödsinn. If the Iranians were as radical as America - according to both countries histories, I would be discussing in an Iranian
Forum right now. But since they are no threat anyway...
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I would say something about the utter stupidity of this viewpoint, except I kinda swore never to do so again. Tough choice when handed something like this.

The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he said was, «Why is a raven like a writing-desk?»
 
RandFan said:
Ahmadinejad is spending millions to kill Americans and this ass wants to come here for a publicity stunt and Oliver can't figure out why that might be a problem for Americans.

CNN.com: Military official: Iranian millions funding insurgency

You figure out that law Oliver? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
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Yeah, he's spending hundreds of billions, invading countries, starting
covert ops all around the world and destroying the world we know...
Don't forget to hang up your socks on December, 24. Santa himself
will put some presents in there ... :boggled:
 
RandFan said:
Ahmadinejad is spending millions to kill Americans and this ass wants to come here for a publicity stunt and Oliver can't figure out why that might be a problem for Americans.

CNN.com: Military official: Iranian millions funding insurgency

You figure out that law Oliver? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
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Is there any solid evidence, for " Ahmadinejad is spending millions to kill Americans ", other than the word of an anonymous Shiite Muslim militia?
 
Matteo Martini said:
Is there any solid evidence, for " Ahmadinejad is spending millions to kill Americans ", other than the word of an anonymous Shiite Muslim militia?
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Yes, the Government said so. And we all know how brave
and patriotic lemmings are as soon "socialism, communism,
terrorism, Korea, Khrushchev, Castro, Saddam ..." are/is
being propagated as a national threat... :rolleyes:


ETA: *Shudder*Shudder*Shudder*Shudder*Shudder*
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Oliver said:
Yeah, he's spending hundreds of billions, invading countries, starting
covert ops all around the world and destroying the world we know...
Don't forget to hang up your socks on December, 24. Santa himself
will put some presents in there ... :boggled:
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:boggled: :confused: :rolleyes: :eek: :covereyes :eye-poppi

What? Could you stop behaving the child. I'm not interested in your immature rhetoric.

Do you have something a bit more grown up?
 
Matteo Martini said:
Is there any solid evidence, for " Ahmadinejad is spending millions to kill Americans ", other than the word of an anonymous Shiite Muslim militia?
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Good point. CNN is known for poor journalism.

The origin of the weapons was easy to discern because of Iranian markings on it, he said. Because Iran maintains tight control over armaments, he said, shipment of the weapons into Iraq had to involve "elements associated with the Iranian government."
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ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?

Google, there's a lot of stories on this.

Ahmadinejad has made no secret that he wants America to leave and he wants control.

Ahmadinejad has said in the past that Tehran would fill any power vacuum left by a withdrawal of coalition forces in Iraq.
 
Oliver said:
Yes, the Government said so. And we all know how brave
and patriotic lemmings are as soon "socialism, communism,
terrorism, Korea, Khrushchev, Castro, Saddam ..." are/is
being propagated as a national threat... :rolleyes:
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RandFan said:
Good point. CNN is known for poor journalism.
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RandFan said:
ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?

Google, there's a lot of stories on this.

Ahmadinejad has made no secret that he wants America to leave and he wants control.

Ahmadinejad has said in the past that Tehran would fill any power vacuum left by a withdrawal of coalition forces in Iraq.
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" Wants Control " is not precisely what is written in the article..

The Islamic republic could help improve conditions in Iraq, but first coalition forces must leave, he said.

"We can help solve many problems in Iraq. We can help secure Iraq. We can help the attackers leave Iraq if the American government and British government correct themselves." he said.
 
Matteo Martini said:
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" Wants Control " is not precisely what is written in the article..
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You think he is being nice when he says that he is going to fill a power vacuum?

The Islamic republic could help improve conditions in Iraq, but first coalition forces must leave, he said.
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Yes, and didn't Iran have a war with Iraq?

"We can help solve many problems in Iraq. We can help secure Iraq. We can help the attackers leave Iraq if the American government and British government correct themselves." he said.
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Sure, and wouldn't this security and filling of vacuum not increase the power of Iran?

I don't think any experts see Iran taking control of Iraq as a good thing. America would desperatly like to get out and Iran wants in. Hmmmm.....
 
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"Iran can demonstrate its seriousness about concern with regard to terrorism by taking concrete actions," such as dropping support for Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and suspending their uranium enrichment program, Khalilzad said.
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You know, sometimes I really wish we would get rid of the UN and then we wouldn't have to sponsor aholes like Chavez and Ahmadinejad to come to America. Aholes like Chavez on American soil attacking America. Would any American diplomat go to Iran or Venezuela and offend their leaders? And Ahmadinejad who support terrorism against the US and he gets to come here and mock us.

I'm sure there are people in their country that don't like them, would that be ok?
 
Oliver,

I can't take you seriously. I've tried. I really have. But you've made no effort whatsover to think critically or to try and be skeptical about your own views.

I'm tired of you. You don't have really have anything to offer. You engage primarily in rhetoric.

I'm going to put you on ignore.
 
RandFan said:
You know, sometimes I really wish we would get rid of the UN and then we wouldn't have to sponsor aholes like Chavez and Ahmadinejad to come to America. Aholes like Chavez on American soil attacking America. Would any American diplomat go to Iran or Venezuela and offend their leaders? And Ahmadinejad who support terrorism against the US and he gets to come here and mock us.

I'm sure there are people in their country that don't like them, would that be ok?
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I agree. It's quite rude for foreign leaders to speak their minds while at the UN.

There is an important qualitative difference at work here. When Iranian or Venezuelan officials attend the UN and criticise the USA it's just words.
But when USA officials visit Iran or Venezuela they're usually more interested in acts than words.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,688071,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp
 
plumjam said:
I agree. It's quite rude for foreign leaders to speak their minds while at the UN.
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This is just ridiculous. Calling Bush satan does nothing to further anything. It doesn't help anything. What is the UN for? Divisiveness?

That's what I don't get.

There is an important qualitative difference at work here. When Iranian or Venezuelan officials attend the UN and criticize the USA it's just words.
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Oh, well, that's all. Then get rid of the UN.

THANK YOU!!!!!

Tu Quoque argument snipped.
 
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