Directed Energy Weapons ??

[CHF]

Someone humor me and tell me what the problem with the ae911 truth people.

For starters, AE911 mentions "Pyroclastic clouds."

Yes, they apparently think a volcano erupted in NYC on 9/11.

 

[Slayhamlet]

ht_tp://w_ww.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

There are quite a few here for starters!

This won't be good enough for anyone here I bet.

One thing I was wondering, if everyone here agrees that all CTs are bunk and just delusions of tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, why even have a CT section? Seems rather repugnant, ..no?

No, it won't, considering that that site is a fraud: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83483

How is having a CT subforum repugnant? This is a website about critical thinking, especially devoted to the promotion of science and the critical analysis of pseudo-science. CTs generally fall under the latter designation.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Well assuming they used truck mounted laser weapons I come up with............................................30 million truck mounted laser weapons! The video evidence I've seen does not support this theory.

Well, I'll admit you're a braver man than Anus Licker, his response wouldn't even acknowledge the original question.

Seriously, your the 2nd person who has asked me to speculate on the capabilities of weapon that for all intents and purposes would most likely be something you'll not find on google or wikipedia.

Perhaps not, but here's the kicker. If the US government was in posession of a power source that is 30 million times more powerful that the biggest generator that could fit onto a semi-trailer truck yet could fit into the space shuttles cargo bay, or atop a Delta IV rocket, then the age of oil would be OVER!

Why would a government in posession of such a device ever conspire to launch wars over a dirty, messy and far outclassed energy source?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So how many delusional CTers have you guys converted here? Some smart mofo's in this place! Presumptuous, but very intelligent! I'm just looking for some truth! And the government's story does not hold water in my opinion.

Does anyone here feel that out government had any hand in it? We've killed many US soldiers and (estimated) 1M civilians in Iraq based on lies thus far, what makes you think the 9/11 story is any different? There is no way that we would be over in Iraq and Afghanistan and raddling swords w/ Iran if 9/11 didn't happen.

This was all laid out in the PNAC manifesto and it all seems to be playing out in real life.

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII. Before Pearl Harbor the majority of the American Public wanted no part in that war. The rest is history. 9/11 just seemed too convenient to be any thing but staged.

Someone humor me and tell me what the problem with the ae911 truth people.

Woah there little Buckaroo!

Let's keep it down to one Woo Cliche at a time.



Now I can't get Bill Mahr's rule outa my head....

 

[HereticHulk]

No, it won't, considering that that site is a fraud: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83483

How is having a CT subforum repugnant? This is a website about critical thinking, especially devoted to the promotion of science and the critical analysis of pseudo-science. CTs generally fall under the latter designation.

So wait, this extremely intellectual crowd here spams a website and joins with childish names, The webmasters catch on to it shut down the enrollment method you exposed (temporarily) and they remove the bogus enteries and you all sit here and joke about?

How does that make ae911 a fraud?

 

[Slayhamlet]

So how many delusional CTers have you guys converted here? Some smart mofo's in this place! Presumptuous, but very intelligent! I'm just looking for some truth! And the government's story does not hold water in my opinion.

Does anyone here feel that out government had any hand in it? We've killed many US soldiers and (estimated) 1M civilians in Iraq based on lies thus far, what makes you think the 9/11 story is any different? There is no way that we would be over in Iraq and Afghanistan and raddling swords w/ Iran if 9/11 didn't happen.

This was all laid out in the PNAC manifesto and it all seems to be playing out in real life.

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII. Before Pearl Harbor the majority of the American Public wanted no part in that war. The rest is history. 9/11 just seemed too convenient to be any thing but staged.

Someone humor me and tell me what the problem with the ae911 truth people.

We went to war with Iraq based on inadequate, misleading, and largely cherry-picked (by the Bush Admin.) intelligence. The official account of 9/11 is not based on faulty intelligence, but on massive investigations and sound science. NIST, for example, is not some shadowy government entity that does the will of the Bush administration. There are thousands of witnesses and scientists who corroborate the official version of the events of 9/11 and have no connection with the Bush administration whatsoever. Additionally, there are simply too many people who would have had to be involved in the conspiracy for it to have been kept a secret all this time. Where are the confessing low-level conspirators? Also, your Iraqi civilian death count is incorrect. The highest estimation of Iraqi casualties is from the Lancet study at about 650,000 in toto, i.e. all Iraqi deaths, including those of insurgents and Saddam's military personnel. Its methodology has also been questioned.

You're right, however, that we certainly wouldn't be in Afghanistan, and probably not in Iraq either, if 9/11 hadn't happened (though not because the Bush administration wouldn't have tried*; popular opinion just would not have supported it.) But this hardly proves that 9/11 was an inside job. Politicians exploit tragedies for their own purposes all the time. Why can't that be the case here? Nevertheless, you can bet we'd still be rattling swords with Iran. It could even be argued that if we weren't bogged down in Iraq we might have already bombed the sites of Iran's nuclear program by now. Hard to say, though.

As for the Pearl Harbor CT, I don't think that's true and it certainly isn't the historical consensus, but I'll let the WWII junkies here deal with that claim.

ETA: clarification.

*with Iraq, I mean, not Afghanistan.

 

[Slayhamlet]

So wait, this extremely intellectual crowd here spams a website and joins with childish names, The webmasters catch on to it shut down the enrollment method you exposed (temporarily) and they remove the bogus enteries and you all sit here and joke about?

How does that make ae911 a fraud?

Because they didn't remove all the bogus entries, even after that incident. At that point they did no verification at all, and that thread exposed this very obvious flaw. They still do very little verification, and you can see that a great number of entries have still not been verified at all (see the little asterisks). Considering this earlier unscrupulousness, why should anyone trust their verification methods at this point?

 

[HereticHulk]

Because they didn't remove all the bogus entries, even after that incident. At that point they did no verification at all, and that thread exposed this very obvious flaw. They still do very little verification, and you can see that a great number of entries have still not been verified at all (see the little asterisks). Considering this earlier unscrupulousness, why should anyone trust their verification methods at this point?

So your committing a fraudulent act exposing something that you think is a fraud? Wow.

Then the rest of the thread is just trading jokes back and forth about the funny names ya'll made up.

 

[HereticHulk]

Because they didn't remove all the bogus entries, even after that incident. At that point they did no verification at all, and that thread exposed this very obvious flaw. They still do very little verification, and you can see that a great number of entries have still not been verified at all (see the little asterisks). Considering this earlier unscrupulousness, why should anyone trust their verification methods at this point?

double post

 

[Slayhamlet]

So your committing a fraudulent act exposing something that you think is a fraud? Wow.

How else would it be exposed but by exploiting its lack of authenticity, and how is doing so fraudulent? It was, after all, done quite openly, with no intent to deceive (something that can't be said for Richard Gage & co.). Just to teach a lesson. They should be thankful for that.

 

[HereticHulk]

We went to war with Iraq based on inadequate, misleading, and largely cherry-picked (by the Bush Admin.) intelligence. The official account of 9/11 is not based on faulty intelligence, but on massive investigations and sound science. NIST, for example, is not some shadowy government entity that does the will of the Bush administration. There are thousands of witnesses and scientists who corroborate the official version of the events of 9/11 and have no connection with the Bush administration whatsoever. Additionally, there are simply too many people who would have had to be involved in the conspiracy for it to have been kept a secret all this time. Where are the confessing low-level conspirators? Also, your Iraqi civilian death count is incorrect. The highest estimation of Iraqi casualties is from the Lancet study at about 650,000 in toto, i.e. all Iraqi deaths, including those of insurgents and Saddam's military personnel. Its methodology has also been questioned.

You're right, however, that we certainly wouldn't be in Afghanistan, and probably not in Iraq either, if 9/11 hadn't happened (though not because the Bush administration wouldn't have tried*; popular opinion just would not have supported it.) But this hardly proves that 9/11 was an inside job. Politicians exploit tragedies for their own purposes all the time. Why can't that be the case here? Nevertheless, you can bet we'd still be rattling swords with Iran. It could even be argued that if we weren't bogged down in Iraq we might have already bombed the sites of Iran's nuclear program by now. Hard to say, though.

As for the Pearl Harbor CT, I don't think that's true and it certainly isn't the historical consensus, but I'll let the WWII junkies here deal with that claim.

ETA: clarification.

*with Iraq, I mean, not Afghanistan.

The 1M figure came from the article in the LA Times (9/14). They said it was a high estimate, but since the new Iraq gov't won't tell and our military isn't keeping track (or doesn't care) are we gonna split hairs on whether its 500k dead or 1M dead!?!?!?

Assuming that this supposed inside job was carried out by elements w/in our military, no matter what the #'s of peeps involved (w/in reason) would not matter. Military runs on a chain of command, think compartmentalization......a lot boot lickers do not question orders given to them and are trained not to. A lot of operations could be done by different groups or teams in stages and none of them given enough info to put it all together. I'm not caliming to know how or what order things were done, but hopefully ya'll are catchin my drift.

Or (better still for the perpetrators) if its a private military force ie., the Blackwater mercenaries, the cover-up would be that much easier. You gotta wonder where all that unaccounted $$$ ended up that the Pentagon lost.

 

[JimBenArm]

Well assuming they used truck mounted laser weapons I come up with............................................30 million truck mounted laser weapons! The video evidence I've seen does not support this theory.

Seriously, your the 2nd person who has asked me to speculate on the capabilities of weapon that for all intents and purposes would most likely be something you'll not find on google or wikipedia.

It's not asking you to speculate. These weapons would have to produce a tremendous amount of energy to do the things you claim. That means they would need a huge energy source. I'm asking you to calculate this for yourself so you can see how ridiculously large such a weapon would be, and how outlandish the power requirements would be. Then maybe, having done this, you will see exactly how stupid this idea is. Directed energy beams of the power you're talking about are as real as saying my cookies are baked by elves in trees!

 

[Apollo20]

HereticHulk:

About the "dustified" steel:

Each Twin Tower contained about 100,000 tonnes of structural steel which was about 20 % of the total mass of the building.

If the steel was "dustified" we should find it in the WTC dust that drifted over Lower Manhattan after the towers collapsed. However, the USGS found an average of only about 1.6 wt % iron in its WTC dust samples.

The main ingredients in the WTC dust were concrete, gypsum and MMVF (man-made vitreous fibers); slag wool was one of the major MMVFs which contains iron as does the aggregate in the concrete. Another source of iron in the WTC dust would be the floor pans which were either shredded or subject to chemical attack by acid fumes, etc, before, during or after the collapse of the towers. Thus the amount of iron found in the WTC dust is easy to explain without invoking DEWs.

Finally, lots of more-or-less intact structural steel was recovered from the rubble pile, most of which still had the original brownish-orange primer paint visible on its surface.

So, HereticHulk, how much steel do you believe was "dustified" by the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, and where is the physical evidence?

 

[Anti-sophist]

Have ever ascertained what, strictly speaking, "dustification" is?

Seems like a truther magic word, to me. Made up hocus-pocus to sound official while applying pseudoscience.

 

[Corsair 115]

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII.

Have any concrete proof of that assertion?

 

[Drudgewire]

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII. Before Pearl Harbor the majority of the American Public wanted no part in that war. The rest is history. 9/11 just seemed too convenient to be any thing but staged.

Also, Lincoln allowed Ft. Sumter to happen, King George allowed Concord to happen, and the Romans gave Hannibal elephants as part of a massive disinformation campaign.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Also, Lincoln allowed Ft. Sumter to happen, King George allowed Concord to happen, and the Romans gave Hannibal elephants as part of a massive disinformation campaign.

the USA's existance as a capitalist superpower throughout the cold war was nothing more than a soviet disinfo campaign

 

[uk_dave]

How does that make ae911 a fraud?

My biggest issue with AE911 is their dubious use of the term "engineer".

They are engaged in spin. The 'truth' movement has been embarrassed for a long time by questions about why no architects and structural engineers support their claims.

Well now they have their architect. But they are being less than honest in claiming mechanical engineers and electrical engineers as being the professionals whose opinions about a structural collapse should be listened to.

If AE911 was honest, they would only have architects and structural engineers as their base.

But, like I say, they spin this and they undoubtedly spin their knowledge of the wtc towers and the collapse.

 

[uk_dave]

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII.

I'm curious about this too.

Who declared war upon whom after pearl harbour?

How was an attack from the japanese a guarantee that the US would then commit to fighting the nazis in europe?

 

[CHF]

Perhaps the biggest flaw with AE911 is that none of their structural engineers appear to have written a damn thing about the WTC collapses.