Directed Energy Weapons ??

[Reality Believer]

Thermobaric weapons work on the same principle that causes blasts in grain elevators and other dusty places — clouds of fine particles are highly explosive. Such explosions produce shock waves that can be directed and amplified in enclosed spaces such as buildings, caves or tunnels.

Please do some research on thermobaric weapons. They are aircraft delivered, fuel-air explosives that deprive the local area of air. They are also quite large and loud. The MOAB and the Russian "Farger of all bombs".

Please link us to a goo-tube video of the delivery of this device.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I wasn't banned!? Not that I was aware of anyway! Do people get banned for not agreeing with the shills here? ..sad

No, they do not. Also, the question mark is not used in declarative sentences, unless you doubt what you yourself are saying.

Are we watching the same video? The spire starts to fall and disappears into dust. It does not support any of the collapse theories fed to us by the 9/11 Omission report.

No, we are using the much better resolution video of the exact same footage here. From this video you can quite clearly tell that the "spire" does not in fact turn into dust.

Also, the 9/11 Commission Report did not put forth any collapse theories. You do not have a very good grasp on the facts, which betrays the fact you have not read a bit of the 9/11 Commission Report.

The Russians have developed a weapon that would better fit the collapse scenario we witnessed that day.

ht_tp://ap.google.c_om/article/ALeqM5jixX4YqeeXCrWvmEEv9JMABhXmVw

....are you saying a thermobaric weapon was used at the initiation of the collapse? Why then is there absolutely no indication of one going off in any of the videos of the event? A thermobaric explosion of the size needed to sever the core collumns would be very large, bright, and loud.

 

[carlvs]

Wanna explain using some actual physics and math-like stuff that might actually explain how big something like this would have to be to do the stuff you credit it with doing? Where was it housed, and where was it used from? I have lots of other questions, but these will do for now. If you don't answer with something other than speculation, I will consider your answer to be "I don't freaking know, what do I look like, a smart person or something? This makes my brain hurt, and you're a big meany for asking!".

Or, we could go to the actual article, and see the significant parts heretichulk (as is typical of those of his or her ilk) has left out:

The Russian military has successfully tested what it described as the world's most powerful non-nuclear air-delivered bomb, Russia's state television reported Tuesday.

Not to mention this:

The report showed the bomb dropped by parachute from a Tu-160 strategic bomber and exploding in a massive fireball.

Then there's this image from the blast itself: (note to mods - I'm not sure about whether posting this is o.k. - delete it if it is not)

I'm pretty sure a couple of these going off in the WTC towers would have been noticed (not to mention the broken windows in all the buildings within a few square miles of the blasts...)

If that's not to your pleasure, then there's the original news report - in Russian - that shows the actual BOMB drop and explosion...

And we can't leave out this piece on the concept and workings of thermobaric explosives... funny, I don't see any mention on how these are "directed" beam weapons

 

[332nd]

HereticHulk, your 9/11 omission report joke is a very funny joke and one we didn't hear before.

But please... energy weapons? That dissintegrate the WTC to dust?

Cut down on watching Warner Bros cartoons, won't you?

bleep bleep!!

... If you ever, ever, evereverever, tell anyone that again truther or no, you will face the wath of mwy spwea and magic helmwent.

 

[Alareth]

I don't freakin know! My guess is that is had to be fired from a satellite or maybe from one of the doomsday planes flying around at all 3 impact sites?? The point of the link I posted is that there is technology available and the thoery is plausible. Much more so that the government's theory.

If I knew the physics and implementation of secret weapon technology, I certainly would not be here speculating about it on a forum with you folks! We'll just have to keep an eye on Morgan Reynolds' court case.

Lets just say, for the sake of argument, that there is a satellite in orbit capable of doing the things you believe to have happened. The power requirements for such a device would result in a satellite the size of Rhode Island. The logistics of such a thing are nearly beyond comprehension.

Lets not forget that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to hide such an orbital construction. Something that size would be visible to the naked eye and resolvable with good detail using a decent pair of binoculars, let alone a telescope. Thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world would have seen and reported it long before 9/11.

There are quite a few structural engineers that admit the collapse they witnessed that day would not have been caused by the fires and impacts alone.

Name one.

 

[leftysergeant]

The core remnants remain standing until something knocks them loose at the bottom. If you looks closely, you will see that the element forming the spire retain pretty much the same shape as the bottoms, unseen in this shot, crumple from the ground up. The dust is just residue that had settled on the columns while they were stationary. When they began to move, they shook off that dust. The top-most, skinny element can still be seen in its proper position inside the dust streamer in the second-to-last frame.

Whacky Judy has never explained how her space-case discombobultar ray acts on metal without producing visible light or heat or sparks.

And, apparently, she believes that the rays keep acting even after the metal is no longer being applied. That was why they had to bring in the extra fill to cover it up, even while the fire fighters were trying to extinguish a ground fire.

Makes perfect sense to me....

After I hit myself soundly over the head with a bottle of Muscatel and then chug the contents.

 

[HereticHulk]

ht_tp://w_ww.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

There are quite a few here for starters!

This won't be good enough for anyone here I bet.

One thing I was wondering, if everyone here agrees that all CTs are bunk and just delusions of tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, why even have a CT section? Seems rather repugnant, ..no?

 

[HereticHulk]

The core remnants remain standing until something knocks them loose at the bottom. If you looks closely, you will see that the element forming the spire retain pretty much the same shape as the bottoms, unseen in this shot, crumple from the ground up. The dust is just residue that had settled on the columns while they were stationary. When they began to move, they shook off that dust. The top-most, skinny element can still be seen in its proper position inside the dust streamer in the second-to-last frame.

Whacky Judy has never explained how her space-case discombobultar ray acts on metal without producing visible light or heat or sparks.

And, apparently, she believes that the rays keep acting even after the metal is no longer being applied. That was why they had to bring in the extra fill to cover it up, even while the fire fighters were trying to extinguish a ground fire.

Makes perfect sense to me....

After I hit myself soundly over the head with a bottle of Muscatel and then chug the contents.

If it's as black and white as you are implying, why was their case not dismissed as frivolous?

 

[Alareth]

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There are quite a few here for starters!

This won't be good enough for anyone here I bet.

I'm not going to comment on the serious problems with that list, a little searching here will tell you what they are.

One thing I was wondering, if everyone here agrees that all CTs are bunk and just delusions of tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, why even have a CT section? Seems rather repugnant, ..no?

All CT's aren't "bunk". There are many valid conspiracy theories. There just do not happen to be any being pushed by the "Truth" movement.

 

[LashL]

If the Dr. Morgan Reynold case had no merit, why wouldn't the courts just dismiss it?

Oh, it will be dismissed eventually. At this point, none of the defendants have even been served with the complaint. If and when the defendants are served, I expect to see motions to dismiss.

 

[Drudgewire]

There are quite a few here for starters!

This won't be good enough for anyone here I bet.

Something you won't hear often around here, so cherish it:

You're absolutely right.

 

[LashL]

If it's as black and white as you are implying, why was their case not dismissed as frivolous?

See post #70. It takes more than one to tango. The woo lawsuit will be dismissed in due course (if Reynolds ever gets around to following up on it beyond posting it on his woo website).

 

[Reality Believer]

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One thing I was wondering, if everyone here agrees that all CTs are bunk and just delusions of tinfoil hat wearing lunatics, why even have a CT section? Seems rather repugnant, ..no?

I think we all enjoy a good turn of the compost pile, but seriously, are you going to answer the tough questions above, or just go down in flames and commit suicide by mod like all of your predecessors?

 

[njslim]

Directed energy? Isnt that like "Mr Scott set your phasers to ...."

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Heretic, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Whatshisface Baker but he chicken out of answering.

Consider the following article:

The US Army is developing a truck-mounted laser weapon to destroy rockets, artillery shells and mortars.

Aerospace giant Boeing has been awarded a contract to start on the first phase of the project - designing a control system for the laser beam.

The solid state laser weapon would eventually be mounted on a 10-tonne, eight-wheel-drive tactical truck.

This is a laser designed to destroy artillery shells and rocket in mid-flight. proposed and prototype systems like this work by causing the shell/missile fueselage to warp leading to loss of aerodynamic stability or even by causing the payload to detonate.

If we assume an average size for an artillery shell to be roughly 2 feet long by 1 foot wide, then you can fit 29,592,576 artillery shells into just one of the world trade towers.

Now, here's the question: If it takes one truck mounted laser weapon to destroy one artillery shell, then how many truck mounted laser weapons would it take to destroy a building large enough to house 30 million artillery shells?

 

[HereticHulk]

Heretic, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Whatshisface Baker but he chicken out of answering.




This is a laser designed to destroy artillery shells and rocket in mid-flight. proposed and prototype systems like this work by causing the shell/missile fueselage to warp leading to loss of aerodynamic stability or even by causing the payload to detonate.

If we assume an average size for an artillery shell to be roughly 2 feet long by 1 foot wide, then you can fit 29,592,576 artillery shells into just one of the world trade towers.

Now, here's the question: If it takes one truck mounted laser weapon to destroy one artillery shell, then how many truck mounted laser weapons would it take to destroy a building large enough to house 30 million artillery shells?

Well assuming they used truck mounted laser weapons I come up with............................................30 million truck mounted laser weapons! The video evidence I've seen does not support this theory.

Seriously, your the 2nd person who has asked me to speculate on the capabilities of weapon that for all intents and purposes would most likely be something you'll not find on google or wikipedia.

 

[pomeroo]

I wasn't banned!? Not that I was aware of anyway! Do people get banned for not agreeing with the shills here? ..sad

Are we watching the same video? The spire starts to fall and disappears into dust. It does not support any of the collapse theories fed to us by the 9/11 Omission report.

The Russians have developed a weapon that would better fit the collapse scenario we witnessed that day.

ht_tp://ap.google.c_om/article/ALeqM5jixX4YqeeXCrWvmEEv9JMABhXmVw

Hey, Ace, tell us again why the military is not allowed to employ these super-weapons that won't be available on this planet for decades. Why did the Democrats in Congress agree to allow the Bush-Cheney crime family to have exclusive use of this terrific stuff?

 

[Drudgewire]

Seriously, your the 2nd person who has asked me to speculate on the capabilities of weapon that for all intents and purposes would most likely be something you'll not find on google or wikipedia.

Or anywhere outside of fantasyland.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I don't freakin know! My guess is that is had to be fired from a satellite or maybe from one of the doomsday planes flying around at all 3 impact sites??

A thermobaric weapon was fired from a satellite or from one of the doomsday planes? What? Or are you talking about energy weapons now?

The point of the link I posted is that there is technology available and the thoery is plausible. Much more so that the government's theory.

Except your theory isn't plausible at all. If a thermobaric weapon were used on the WTC it would not have looked at all like what it did. Besides, you don't even know what "the government's theory" is, as you have obviously not read the NIST report. Therefore your opinion of its plausibility has about as much worth as my dog's.

If I knew the physics and implementation of secret weapon technology, I certainly would not be here speculating about it on a forum with you folks! We'll just have to keep an eye on Morgan Reynolds' court case.

Which will go nowhere, I assure you. Don't be pissed, or surprised, when it's tossed out of court as frivolous. The rest is just argumentum ad ignorantium. Here's a thought: why don't you go study the physics relating to the weapons system you're describing, or better yet (since you're obviously not a scientific type) why don't you ask a scientist from the relevant field if the scenario you're speculating about is feasible? Where do you think secret weapons programs come from?

Do you wanna explain how the majority of the jet fuel that (clearly) all burned up outside the building and subsequent office fire from the remaining fuel burned hot enough to weaken steel and specifically turn this spire into dust causing a universal collapse?

The jet fuel did not clearly all burn up outside the building. A great deal of it spread throughout the impacted floors causing widespread fires. NIST estimates that most of the fuel burnt up within 10 minutes, but the mass of office contents continued to burn for almost two hours in the North Tower and almost an hour in the South Tower. Office fires are known to reach very high temperatures: up to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, more than hot enough to significantly weaken the damaged steel core columns and the remaining perimeter columns that had not already been severed from the aircraft impacts, as well as the floor trusses connecting the floors to the perimeter and core columns. As a result the floor trusses of several floors were deformed, eventually pulling the perimeter columns inward towards the core. (This bowing of the perimeter columns can be seen in close-up pictures and videos of the towers focused near the impact zones minutes before the collapses.) Once buckled, the perimeter columns could no longer hold the loads they were bearing and redistributed them to the already weakened core columns. Thus the whole upper portion of the tower above the impact zone was being held up by a few core columns, far more than they were designed to hold, and global structural failure inevitably ensued. This initiated a more or less symmetrical collapse in the form of the "pancaking" effect: floor after floor being sequentially stacked onto the ever increasing falling mass of the upper portion of the building.

You would know all this had you read any of the NIST report.

The spire clearly turns to dust as it begins to fall.

No, it clearly doesn't turn to dust. You keep ignoring the better resolution video that clearly demonstrates this. Here it is again. And it's not a "spire", it's the remainder of the core column structure.

Even if a plane did sever a few of the large beams of steel, what would cause the entire building support structure to fail simultaneously?

Already explained above.

You cannot deny the fact that the majority of mass that was The WTC was virtually pulverized in dust. A office fire caused this???

The majority of the matter in the towers was certainly not pulverized to dust. Where do you get that figure? And no, an office fire did not cause any of the pulverization. The collapse did, though.

There are quite a few structural engineers that admit the collapse they witnessed that day would not have been caused by the fires and impacts alone.

Name one.

 

[HereticHulk]

So how many delusional CTers have you guys converted here? Some smart mofo's in this place! Presumptuous, but very intelligent! I'm just looking for some truth! And the government's story does not hold water in my opinion.

Does anyone here feel that out government had any hand in it? We've killed many US soldiers and (estimated) 1M civilians in Iraq based on lies thus far, what makes you think the 9/11 story is any different? There is no way that we would be over in Iraq and Afghanistan and raddling swords w/ Iran if 9/11 didn't happen.

This was all laid out in the PNAC manifesto and it all seems to be playing out in real life.

Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get us into WWII. Before Pearl Harbor the majority of the American Public wanted no part in that war. The rest is history. 9/11 just seemed too convenient to be any thing but staged.

Someone humor me and tell me what the problem with the ae911 truth people.