94 percent of America's founding era documents mention the Bible

tsg said:
It's yet another attempt to support the "Christian Nation" myth.

What we're supposed to believe from this so-called fact is that the founding fathers were inspired by Christianity when forming this nation.
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Well they where. They looked at all the various sect specific Christian nations in Europe, all the religious wars and said "OK we do not want a Christian nation"

So it was inspired by Christianity, just as a rejection of it instead of embracing it.
 
I actually read this article, and almost thought it was satire. It just sounded so much like something a kindergarten student would say: "Jesus is mentioned a whole lot, therefore he has everything to with everything we ever do."

Of course, the fact that Lauren brushes aside the Crusades, and similar atrocities, as "unbiblical" moments is a clue that she is trying to be more serious than your average kindergartener. And, that makes it sad. She seems to forget that the rise of secular nations is actually one of the "weapons" we have against future religion-based atrocities.
 
joobz said:
91.756543% of statistics are completely made up.*
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That's a lie! The actual figure is only 87.641%.

*I remember debating a family member about abortion and she started quoting statistics that seemed completely off to me. I asked simply for a source of that information. I was told, "Well, common sense says it has to be around that number." In fact, she was convinced that all statistics weren't actually based on anything but conjecture and opinion, and that she was completely allowed to make up numbers as best fit. I have a feeling that this view isn't her's alone.
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I think that's exactly how the Fox news columnist in question sees it. It's all about truthiness.
 
joobz said:
91.756543% of statistics are completely made up.
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Angus McPresley said:
That's a lie! The actual figure is only 87.641%.
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One of my long running jokes (that I semi-stole from John Allen Pallos) is that 51% of all statistics are mae up on the spot.

Let me repeat that for the cheap seats

64% of all statistics are mae up on the spot.

The guys at work finally caught on after about 6 months of me saying this, and I've noticed them using it as well.

It's nice to see someone else use it too.
 
I always wanted to start a website where people could post "cites" for any statistic they could dream up. The url, of course, would be www outofmyass com

ETA: unfortunately someone already has the domain name, hence the mangle.
 
tsg said:
I always wanted to start a website where people could post "cites" for any statistic they could dream up. The url, of course, would be www outofmyass com

ETA: unfortunately someone already has the domain name, hence the mangle.
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You're always welcome to write articles for my magazine, Baseless Calims Quarterly.
 
Angus McPresley said:
While her commentary on the whole is pretty easy to refute (pray tell me, Lauren, where the Bible even mentions free speech), I must say I've never heard this statistic before. Any idea where it might derive from?
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I'm not sure, but these facts are along the same line.

According to the author of the listed website the following info is from Dr. James Kennedy's book, " What if America was a Christian Nation Again"


http://www.truthpizza.org/post/nitardy7.htm


"Below I have listed 19 of 25 items that show the Bible (Theism) and God were a basic foundation of our country.

1. The Declaration of Independence mentions God four times.
2. The Articles of Confederation mention God.
3. The Constitution is explicitly signed, "in the year of our lord". Now in our schools BC has been changed to BCE.
4. The treaty of Paris in 1783, negotiated by Ben Franklin, John Adams, and John Jay, acknowledged the Trinity as it made official our separation from Great Britain. It began "In the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity."
5. Chaplains have been on the public payroll from the very beginning.
6. The Constitutions of all 50 states mention God in one way or another.
7. The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
8. Our national anthem mentions God.
9. Every president has been sworn in on the Bible.
10. Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
11. Virtually every president has called for a national days of prayer, of fasting, of thanksgiving. This included James Madison, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.
12. Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
13. Oaths in the courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
14. The Christmas and thanksgiving holidays are Christian holidays.
15. God is mentioned all over Washington, D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
16. The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and of the ten commandments. A total of twenty depictions.
17. Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust".
18. The freedom Shrine exhibits tell the story of American liberty, and God is mentioned in many if not most of these documents on public display.
19. The Bible was the primary textbook in our schools. Children learned their ABC's using Biblical words.

Newsweek said some years ago, "Historians are now coming to realize that the Bible , even more than the Constitution, founded the nation of America."
 
DOC said:
Newsweek said some years ago, "Historians are now coming to realize that the Bible , even more than the Constitution, founded the nation of America."
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This isn't true, you've been shown that it isn't true, you ignore all the facts or you're a liar. Which is it?
 
DOC said:
3. The Constitution is explicitly signed, "in the year of our lord". Now in our schools BC has been changed to BCE.
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What a reach. You'd think that the Constitution, which lays down the law of the land, would be replete with references to Jebus if the founding fathers had meant this to be a Christian nation, wouldn't you?
 
Angus McPresley said:
What a reach. You'd think that the Constitution, which lays down the law of the land, would be replete with references to Jebus if the founding fathers had meant this to be a Christian nation, wouldn't you?
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Yeah, instead the Constitution contradicts the Ten Commandments... something DOC has avoided dealing with, because it makes his "point" very obviously and stupidly wrong.
 
DOC said:
[snip nonsense]
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I see you forgot to include the treaty of tripoli which actually mentions christianity. That must also prove that this nation is christian, right?

oh wait, it says
treaty of tripoli said:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
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Ahh, too bad. You still haven't made this fact go away. You see, this legal document,which is considered the law of the land and was unanimously voted on and signed by the president, clearly states that this country isn't christian.
 
joobz said:
I see you forgot to include the treaty of tripoli which actually mentions christianity. That must also prove that this nation is christian, right?

oh wait, it says


Ahh, too bad. You still haven't made this fact go away. You see, this legal document,which is considered the law of the land and was unanimously voted on and signed by the president, clearly states that this country isn't christian.
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He just declares that facts that disagree with him are wrong. Weird, I know, but that's what passes for intellectual integrity with him. He thinks "Jesus" appreciates his lying and such.
 
Angus McPresley said:
What a reach. You'd think that the Constitution, which lays down the law of the land, would be replete with references to Jebus if the founding fathers had meant this to be a Christian nation, wouldn't you?
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No. UK is a christian nation however the various documents that are the closest the UK has had to a consititution don't tend to mention jesus.

The 1701 act of settlement mentions god 4 times but not jesus. And this is an act that has a fair section banning catholics from the throne.

The 1707 act of union doesn't mention god or jesus but has one para dealing with the issue of relgion.

Magna Carta which was partly writen due to conflicts with the pope as well as the barons racks up 4 mentions of god and zero of jesus. Christians are never directly mentioned although jews are in their role as money lenders (where it is outlawing chargeing interest on sums owed by minors).
 
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