This thread is an investigation of the facts.
Writing responses to the thought provoking questions presented here requires a lot of research and thought.
I have learned a great deal by researching the data and evidence in the documents presented here.
Gravy pointed out that there was a logo on all four sides of WTC 7 and i withdrew my statement that Chief Fellini was standing in front of WTC 7.
Belz will point out any overstatement of facts.
Others have provided evidence that required me to change my position and statements.
Thank you
I came into this discussion believing that WTC 7 was a CD.
You [all] came into this discussion believing it was not.
It started out on the '10 story gouge' [as described on pg 18] but has since covered diesel fuel fires, fire progression and time table,
and analysis of fire behavior.
Here is part of what i have accomplished:
The evidence for the '10 story gouge':
NIST Appendix L pg 18 [22 on pg counter]
"middle 1/4 to 1/3 width of the south face was gouged out from floor 10 to the ground"
Evidence that the '10 story gouge' was a misinterpretation of the actual damage
pg 18
"No heavy debris was observed in the lobby area as the building was exited, primarily white dust coating and black wires hanging from ceiling areas were observed."
[a gouge floor 10 to the ground would have left a pile of heavy debris in the lobby 60 to 80 feet wide from the south facade to the elevators]
”debris damage across one-fourth width of the south face, starting several floors above the atrium”
[cannot co-exist with - gouge, floor ten to the ground]
“the atrium glass [ground to floor 5] was still intact"
[cannot co-exist with – gouge, floor 10 to the ground]
[qimg]http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1332/copyofatriumsmcb8.jpg[/qimg]
FEMA Chapter 5 pg 20
"According to the account of a firefighter who walked the 9th floor along the south side following the collapse of WCT 1, the only damage to the 9th floor facade occurred at the south west corner."
Oral Histories: Chief Frank Fellini
[in charge of operations at West and Vesey]
“When it fell [WTC 1] it ripped steel out from between the third and the sixth floors.....”
[Do you think he did not notice a 10 story gouge 1/4 to 1/3 the width of WTC 7 ?]
NIST ignored the three statements on the same page that were in conflict with the "middle 1/4 to 1/3 width of the south face was gouged outfrom floor 10 to the ground" and the statement in the FEMA report.
They then showed this 'damage' in the graphic on pg 23 as "Possible region of impact damage" and again on pages 31 & 32 as "Approximate region of impact damage"
In the Summary item 3) they describe the damage attributed to this gouge [columns 69, 72 and 75] as Possible components that may have led to the failure of columns 79, 80 and/or 81.
