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Fossett & the Bermuda Triangle

JoeTheJuggler

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Rescuers are still combing the 600 sq. mile search area for missing aeronautical adventurer Steve Fossett. Even in a relatively small area over dry land, it's a tough task. It's really like finding a needle in a haystack.

From the article below:
[Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia Ryan] said it could take a week under ideal conditions to cover the search area.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/06/fossett.missing/index.html


This got me to thinking of the Bermuda Triangle stories. With no more facts than what we have here, if this had happened over the ocean, Berlitz and company would go on and on about it being a mysterious, baffling and strange disappearance.

You don't get a week (even under ideal circumstances) over the ocean because wreckage sinks. Also, with no landmarks, it's much more probable that pilots flying over the ocean get on a wrong course and the search area has to be considered substantially larger. (Admittedly, that's a possibility with Fossett, but a whole lot less likely.)
 
Well, lets not jump the gun here. Wasn't he flying somewhere near Roswell? I suspect We'll have a whole nuther set of wackos to deal with.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Rescuers are still combing the 600 sq. mile search area for missing aeronautical adventurer Steve Fossett. Even in a relatively small area over dry land, it's a tough task. It's really like finding a needle in a haystack.

From the article below:


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/06/fossett.missing/index.html


This got me to thinking of the Bermuda Triangle stories. With no more facts than what we have here, if this had happened over the ocean, Berlitz and company would go on and on about it being a mysterious, baffling and strange disappearance.

You don't get a week (even under ideal circumstances) over the ocean because wreckage sinks. Also, with no landmarks, it's much more probable that pilots flying over the ocean get on a wrong course and the search area has to be considered substantially larger. (Admittedly, that's a possibility with Fossett, but a whole lot less likely.)
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So what you are saying is that the Bermuda Triangle's powers extend to Nevada? That makes sense in a way, as people often report large sums of money disapearing in that state.

Kidding aside (or was I?), you have a valid point. Events that happen in "woo" areas are virtually automatically attributed to the "woo"....where if the same event happened elsewhere, it would be attributed to other non-"woo" things.
 
Sounds like more

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to me.
 
Locknar said:
Kidding aside (or was I?), you have a valid point. Events that happen in "woo" areas are virtually automatically attributed to the "woo"....where if the same event happened elsewhere, it would be attributed to other non-"woo" things.
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Well, yeah. Some of these Bermuda Triangle stories rely on non-evidence (no wreckage was found, the plane or ship disappeared "without a trace") in a large mostly featureless area of ocean, yet we see here how difficult it is to find a crashed plane on land in a relatively small area under ideal circumstances.
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Overman, what does? My OP or the playful sarcasm some of the others have posted? (I do believe thus far this thread has been unsullied by actual woo.)

Oh yeah--in that spirit: we all know despite the several failed attempts and the huge investment in money and volunteers that no one could possibly fly a balloon around the world, so Fossett was obviously dealing with technology from space aliens. . . . .
 
Yes seems to me there are two problems with the Bermuda Triangle

1. It is not a triangle
2. There doesn't vanish more ships/planes there than any other place.


But still it IS a good story ;)


PS: I do hope they find Fosset he is a great adventurer...
 
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Ove said:
Yes seems to me there are two problems with the Bermuda Triangle

1. It is not a triangle
2. There doesn't vanish more ships/planes there than any other place.


But still it IS a good story ;)


PS: I do hope they find Fosset he is a great adventurer...
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[Homer Simpson mode]
I see...so what you are saying is the Bermuda "Triangle" has changed shape, and is now MUCH bigger then previously believed. This fits with what JTJ was saying earlier in the thread, that the "Triangle" has extended to reach as far as Nevada.
[/Homer Simpson mode]

I have no doubt they will find Fosset eventually...sadly though, I'm thinking his adventure days are over.
 
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I've read that the tradgedys in the bermuda Triangle area are caused by tectonic activity. This creats monster waves that come out of nowhere. Rotting vegetation on the bottom of the seafloor in that area give off methane gas which is explosive and can cause fiery disasters when the tectonic activity releases the gas which sometimes forms a mustard colored mist. Fires onboard a ship can ignite this gas with disasterous results. Low flying planes including jets can ignite this gas and bring the aircraft down. Theres nothing supernatural about it. Compasses that fail to point north or go crazy in the area has also been scientifically explained. Its the geographical area that causes this but the exact explanation is unknown to me. Look it up. It isn't aliens, ghosts or the devil that makes bad things happen there.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I've read that the tradgedys in the bermuda Triangle area are caused by tectonic activity. This creats monster waves that come out of nowhere. Rotting vegetation on the bottom of the seafloor in that area give off methane gas which is explosive and can cause fiery disasters when the tectonic activity releases the gas which sometimes forms a mustard colored mist. Fires onboard a ship can ignite this gas with disasterous results. Low flying planes including jets can ignite this gas and bring the aircraft down. Theres nothing supernatural about it. Compasses that fail to point north or go crazy in the area has also been scientifically explained. Its the geographical area that causes this but the exact explanation is unknown to me. Look it up. It isn't aliens, ghosts or the devil that makes bad things happen there.
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Actually, as mentioned, no more ships or planes disappear or wreck in the Bermuda Triangle than anywhere else with comparable traffic. (This has been confirmed by insurance folk--if you want a reference, Google Lloyds of London and Bermuda Triangle.)

There is NOTHING to explain, so not only is there no need for aliens or ghosts, there's also no need for methane gas or strange tectonic activity.

That was the point of my original post. When a plane goes missing, it's sometimes very difficult to find the wreckage even on dry land. If Fossett had been flying over the ocean, all traces of the wreck would be long gone by now, and it would be another "mystery".
 
Just to calrify something else, as well. The methane gas theory has nothing to do with methane burning, or rotting plants. It has to do with methane hydrates (I think, hydrides, maybe? Chemists? Geologists?), which are solid, unstable methane-containing compunds on the sea floor, Slight disturbance can cause them to release the methane, sometimes in large amounts. This causes bubbles to rise in a big group, and a bubbly ocean produces less bouyant force than calmer water.

Still very unlikely, as a ship would have to be right over a hydrate area, at the exact time that a tectonic rumble set it off. Logically, there'd be numerous sightings of bubble rises (near misses) to every dissappearing ship...and we don't have that. It's highly unlikely, to say the least.
 
Huntsman said:
Just to calrify something else, as well. The methane gas theory has nothing to do with methane burning, or rotting plants. It has to do with methane hydrates (I think, hydrides, maybe? Chemists? Geologists?), which are solid, unstable methane-containing compunds on the sea floor, Slight disturbance can cause them to release the methane, sometimes in large amounts. This causes bubbles to rise in a big group, and a bubbly ocean produces less bouyant force than calmer water.

Still very unlikely, as a ship would have to be right over a hydrate area, at the exact time that a tectonic rumble set it off. Logically, there'd be numerous sightings of bubble rises (near misses) to every dissappearing ship...and we don't have that. It's highly unlikely, to say the least.
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I want to say that Myth Busters did a show on this...if not them, it was someone on Discovery Channel.

As you note, while it is TECHNICALLY possible for a ship to sink if caught in a methane release...there would have to be a LOT of factors that fell in place just right to make it happen; and you'd have reported "near misses" as not EVERY event would result in a sinking.
 
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Locknar:

Discovery did a show on it a while back :)
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I'm pretty sure it was on Discovery...was just not sure if the MBs were involved. The more I think about it though, I'm thinking it was just one of those "specials" they show in Discovery time to time. As I recall, it was well done and largely debunked the idea.

Of course, if the shows intent was to prove the idea...then I'd say it was poorly done as my memory of it is drastically different *lol*
 
LOL

No, it wasn't Mythbusters. I remember bits and pieces, but I can't recall if it was NG or Discovery...I know I saw the NG "Is It Real?" Bermuda episode, but I think there was a Discovery show that covered this idea.

It was pretty well debunked. IIRC, even the guys who showed it was possible to sink a ship with bubbles suggested that there should be more near misses and accounts. The show never really said "no, this doesn't account for it", but the general feel was that this wouldn't be a feasible possibility.
 
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