Please disprove this "diagnosis" from Sylvia Browne

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WILLIAMS: Welcome Marcella to the show. Why don't you tell Sylvia what happened to your brother.

MARCELLA (23, Says Her 18-Year-Old Brother Mysteriously Started Having Seizures): About three years ago, on May 1st, 1998, my brother, who was 18 at the time, was a freshman at a university in Philadelphia. He felt sick all week. He thought he had the flu, which--what he was told. He called my father to pick him up, just to take him home for the weekend. On the way home, my father turned to him and saw that he was blue, he wasn't breathing. He had given him mouth to mouth. He drove him to the hospital. Here, he had a grand mal seizure. He was in a coma for a couple of weeks, and he came out of the coma and was still having seizures constantly. So they put him under again. When he woke up, he lost all memory. He thought he was eight years old. He's had, you know, rehab. He's going through rehab and things. He still can't go to school. He can't do schoolwork. He can't be left alone. He has seizures all the time. His quality of life has just gone down. I mean, he's 21 now. He doesn't have--his friends are all--I mean, it's...

Ms. BROWNE: Did you know that somebody slipped him a really bad drug like ecstasy? Did you know that?

WILLIAMS: You couldn't know it.

MARCELLA: No.

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you what, it probably was. How long ago was this?

MARCELLA: Three years ago.

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you something, a very--very--very kind of--very quiet thing that was going on--where did he go to school?

MARCELLA: Drexel University.

WILLIAMS: Which is located where?

MARCELLA: In Philadelphia. Drexel.

WILLIAMS: Did you know on the East Coast four years ago, there was a batch of acid that was going around this country on the East Coast, and this is something that's not been reported, but there are children right now that are going through what would appear to be epileptic seizures that no one can answer.

Ms. BROWNE: Because of this.

WILLIAMS: And it was bad acid, and people were dosing people. They were--and what I mean by dosing people--this was happening in Florida.

Ms. BROWNE: ...(Unintelligible)

MARCELLA: It's my mother.

WILLIAMS: It happened in Florida. It was happening in New York. It was happening in...

Ms. BROWNE: All over the East Coast, he's right.

WILLIAMS: ...all around Bal--all up and down the East Coast, and it was a bad dose--dose of some acid that somebody made. So I would check back now. If you're--he probably can't remember. But I would check...

MARCELLA: No, he has no memory.

WILLIAMS: ...I would check back and see if you can find some people who went to school with him...

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, or around him.

WILLIAMS: ...and see if--or around him and see if there's anybody else in that school that is doing--going--going through the exact same thing.

Ms. BROWNE: Same thing he is.

WILLIAMS: Or somebody who was a freshman or a sophomore who has now being diagnosed with being epileptic. And you'll find out that they probably took the same thing and may have got dosed the same way.
MARCELLA: We were told that he--it was from the Epstein-Barr virus.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, Epstein-Barr, my foot.

MARCELLA: No?

Ms. BROWNE: It was from something like ecstasy.

WILLIAMS: The only reason I went there--the only reason I went there is because Sylvia went there, but it is a fact that this--that there's was a batch of acid going around that was bad.

Ms. BROWNE: No one--people in this audience that have had Epstein-Barr don't have seizures.

MARCELLA: That--I mean, it's so common, they say, and they said it just caused viral encephalitis. They asked if he...

Ms. BROWNE: It does not.

WILLIAMS: Does he have any traces of encephalitis?

MARCELLA: His brain was swollen at the time when he had...

Ms. BROWNE: I would say...

WILLIAMS: But they would--they would have traces of menengitist stored someplace, right?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. They could do a brain stem cell.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. I was just check on it.

MARCELLA: Is he gonna get better?

Ms. BROWNE: Yes, he will, eventually, but the brain has to reconnect itself. This woman here is--keeps shaking her head.

WILLIAMS: You're the mother, right? Same family.

MARCELLA: That's my mother.

WILLIAMS: Same family.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Yeah. But I'm telling you, somebody dropped acid or ecstasy. Well, honey, he wouldn't have known it.

WILLIAMS: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.

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Just a quick Google search comes up with multiple articles describing Epstein-Barr encephalitis. Although it is generally mild it can be severe and has been known to present with primary complaint of coma.


Interestingly enough it is the Epstein-Barr virus that is responsible for mono. Given this was a freshman at college living in a dorm setting the Epstein-Barr scenario makes more sense then being slipped a bad batch of E or acid.



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Interesting: This is apparently from 2001. On September 3rd, 2001, Sylvia had this to say on Larry King Live:

BROWNE: Yes, but I want them to get a bilirubin count done on her in the liver area. And I also want them to check -- this is kind of a little bit harsh on TV -- but I also want them to check a fecal matter test for Candida and Epstein-Barr, because she's tired, she's depressed, she's languid, she -- her muscle tone is going down. And that's also very symptomatic of chronic fatigue and Epstein-Barr.
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Randi also comments on this in Swift

Was there some hubbub in the media about Epstein-Barr at the time? I can see that Wikipedia has a reference to an article in Science, from March 15th, 1999.
 
WILLIAMS: Did you know on the East Coast four years ago, there was a batch of acid that was going around this country on the East Coast, and this is something that's not been reported, but there are children right now that are going through what would appear to be epileptic seizures that no one can answer.
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Neither acid or ecstasy- however "bad" - gives you epilepsy, or sends you into a coma, or makes your brain swell.
If there really were a number of cases of unexplained illnesses involving seizures, concentrated into one geographical area and a short time frame, you can bet we'd have all heard about them.
Williams is as big a fool as Saliva is a - well, choose your own adjective.
 
From the transcript, it seems to me that it was Montel who did most of the diagnosis.


Since when is this under the purview of a psychic? No dead people to talk to, no future to predict, no ghosts or ESP or aliens or spiritual guides. This is the sort of question you would ask a doctor. What makes them think a psychic has answers to this, and how dare she pretend to?
 
What's to disprove? Browne and Williams just made a bunch of unsubstantiated statements. There's no indication that any of this was confirmed. And even if it was confirmed (a BIG "if"), what's supernatural about knowing that some bad drugs were going around at the time?
 
Isn't Williams still on the Navy reserve list? Can't his commanding Officers do something to strip him of his rank or something - publicly? He's as bad as Browne. I would like to see a stopmontelwilliams.com site.
 
BAD DRUGS, MAN!

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"Uh, to get back to the, uh, the warning that I've received you may take it with how many however many grains of salt you wish, that the brown acid that is circulating around us is not specifically too good. Uh, it's suggested that you do stay away from that, course it's your own trip, so be my guest, but, uh, please be advised that there is a warning on that one ok?"
 
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"Uh, to get back to the, uh, the warning that I've received you may take it with how many however many grains of salt you wish, that the brown acid that is circulating around us is not specifically too good. Uh, it's suggested that you do stay away from that, course it's your own trip, so be my guest, but, uh, please be advised that there is a warning on that one ok?"
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I thought it was the red rope licorice.

This just goes to show more practicing medicine without a license by Saliva.
 
This is a pretty tragic story of someone who clearly had and was medically diagnosed as having viral encephalitis (which may be caused by EBV, the glandular fever virus). I see no reason to doubt the medical opinion - encephalitis is classically diagnosed by using a number of different tests including blood work, brain scans, EEGs and lumbar puncture results which can include specific EBV detection methods such as PCR (A DNA fingerprinting of the virus).
A teenager with coma/convulsions would likely as not have a routine drug toxicology screen, which should detect MDMA/other possible drugs. It is possible that drugs could cause convulsions and coma, but the fact that this lad has clearly had persistent residual brain damage is typical of encephalitis and not drugs.

I find Sylvia's platitudes that the lad will eventually recover quite sickening. This seems quite unlikely. Hopefully the sister/family pay more attention to the medics than stupid Sylvia.
 
WILLIAMS: But they would--they would have traces of menengitist stored someplace, right?

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. They could do a brain stem cell.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. I was just check on it.
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Good grief. That's barely recognizable as English.
 
What I wanted disproved is the idea that LSD or E could cause this type of brain damage after one use.

Is that at all possible?
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
What I wanted disproved is the idea that LSD or E could cause this type of brain damage after one use.

Is that at all possible?
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It is theoretically possible that ecstacy might provoke a convulsion through its ability to cause hyponatraemia (low sodium), or through the direct stimulant effect of the drug (as could LSD). Someone who has had a convulsion might suffer permanent brain damage because of cerebral anoxia if the convulsion was sufficiently prolonged.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
What I wanted disproved is the idea that LSD or E could cause this type of brain damage after one use.

Is that at all possible?
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theres a ton of information about the effects of lsd out there, but extacy not so much. with researching any drug you have to wade through a lot of anti drug ******** (anyone notice how anti pot campaigns recently reverted to the 'madness' claims of old-saying it increases your chances of getting schitzophrenia? lol) and a lot of pro drug bs as well. its very hard to get to the truth about illegal drugs.
 
One would think that a batch of bad anything would cause an epidemic of these symptoms but, as far as we know, this was the only case. This supports a diagnosis of a biological cause.

EMM, I don't know when this episode was recorded but a few years ago many people died from heroin cut with fentanyl. The problem began in Detroit and caused deaths throught the Eastern US. It's really too easy to detect when bad drugs cause something. It's very doubious that this young man got the only dose from a bad batch.
 
^^the actual amount of lsd people take is very small (diluted many times and even after that its a very small bit of product) that i doubt that there are very many things that can cause seizures in that amount period.

extacy pills being something other than extacy happens all the time though, so thats much more possible. hm.

either way you would have to wonder why sylvia didnt specify and instead blamed it on extacy or lsd instead of a 'bad batch' of either of those things. shes supposed to be psychic....
 
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